Dragon Ball Super: Will Goku and Vegeta Fuse?

By Jeremy Carden

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After watching Revival of F, I have a very strong hunch that Dragon Ball fans will once again see a Goku/Vegeta fusion!

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If you ask me, I think that Whis’ main goal in training the Saiyan duo is not only to help them perfect their fighting abilities as individuals, but to also make them understand that they need to learn how to work together.

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Whis pointed out that Vegeta is too tense and Goku is too carefree. The two are practically opposing opposites when it comes to fighting. Vegeta is the more brilliant fighter, but Goku is better when it comes to off the wall combat (a good fighter that does not go by the books, he is better at overcoming obstacles by thinking outside of the box).

I mean if you look at the times when the two actually worked together to defeat the odds, you have to admit that they make a very potent combo!

For a moment, forget about what is canon and what is non-canon. Think back to some epic moments within the Dragon Ball franchise when these Saiyans actually teamed up.

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The Return of Cooler was a movie where neither Saiyan could take Cooler on in his new form.

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When they put aside their differences, the team destroyed 1 Meta-Cooler robot (before 1,000 showed up). In the end, they overpowered the Big Gete Star achieving victory!

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In the anime-only battle with Buuhan, each Saiyan was getting wrecked by the “mightiest Majin.”

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Goku convinced Vegeta to use the Potara Earrings in order to save the universe, and Vegito was beating around Buu with ease!

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How about when Super Janemba was able to defeat Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta?

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They ended up creating Gogeta in order to send that demon back into oblivion!

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Finally, the threat of Omega Shenron proved too great for even a couple of Super Saiyan 4s to stop!

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Once again, fusion created Gogeta to stop another threat to the universe (though this time around; Gogeta did not get the job done…).

My point is that Goku and Vegeta are extremely powerful as individuals, but working together has proven that the two can overcome almost any obstacle in their way.

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I think Goku said it best when he was describing the Fusion Dance back during the Buu Saga. He said that a being created from the fusion would be capable of accomplishing feats that neither individual could do alone.

Don’t you think that Vegito and Gogeta fit that description perfectly? I mean whenever the Saiyans fused, it was because they realized that they did not stand a chance of winning against their opponent at the time as individuals. They had no other option but to fuse in order to defeat the odds with overwhelming power!

Now the question remains as to whether or not Goku and Vegeta will actually fuse in the Dragon Ball Super series.

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Originally, I thought that if there was a movie to follow Revival of F; the two would fuse again. You have to admit that the movie itself seemed like a setup in order for the Saiyans to realize that they need to work together in order to achieve the best results.

I mean they fought against each other instead of fighting together against Frieza, and the entire world was destroyed (until Whis reversed time) due to their unwillingness to work as a team!

At the end of the film, Goku mentioned that their battle with Frieza was proof that Whis was correct when he said that they should work together more. However, Vegeta scoffed at the remark about them working together. With laughter, Goku agreed that it would never happen.

Is that right?

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Considering that Champa, Universe 6 and the Super Dragon Balls will appear in the DB Super anime/manga; I think the two WILL fuse again!

Why?

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With 11 other universes out there that contain beings more powerful than Beerus AND Whis, the Saiyans will eventually come across opponent(s) too powerful for them to defeat alone.

Fusion would be their only option, and it will be their trump card in order to win against their foes.

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As I mentioned in another blog about Gogeta appearing within the DB Super series, I think that the two fusing would be their completion of their training under Whis.

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I feel this way because as I mentioned above, Whis is teaching the two how to overcome their individual weaknesses, and to also work together as a team.

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Considering that Lord Beerus could be defeated if the two worked together (Whis mentioned this), I think Goku and Vegeta teaming up would be a threat to even gods more powerful than Beerus from some of the other universes!

Whis seeing the two truly working together would be the icing on the cake (because we know how Whis and Beerus love to eat) to their training.

Fans are split as to which fusion would actually appear within the DB Super series. Some say that Gogeta will finally make an appearance, and others are strongly behind Vegito reappearing.

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The thing that gets me is when fans say that Gogeta CAN’T appear because he is NOT considered canon. Personally, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. True, his appearance in GT and Fusion Reborn were considered my most to be non-canon. However, the Fusion Dance itself IS canon because the technique appearance in the anime and manga.

Goku knows about the dance, and he would show it to Vegeta if necessary for them to actually fuse against an opponent. Of course, I am sure that he would object to it because of the prissy movements needed to execute the technique. He did perform an embarrassing bingo dance to save the planet from destruction. What harm could performing one little ballet dance (Fusion Dance) do?

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Think about how upset he was when he had to hold hands with Goku in order to teleport to earth using Instant Transmission! Although, I thought he could have just placed his hand on Goku’s shoulder or something, but I guess the writers wanted to make that scene as awkward as they possibly could.

In my opinion, I believe that Gogeta will be the one who appears in the DB Super series if the Saiyans ever fused.

Why?

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Do you really believe that Vegeta or Goku would want to do a permanent fusion (again)?

The only reason Vegito split was because of Buu’s digestive system breaking the Potara Fusion apart.

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In Battle of Gods, Revival of F and DB Super Episode 5, whenever fusion was mentioned it was a reference to Vegito NOT Gogeta. This is because Vegito was the only fusion between the two to appear in both the anime and manga.

Unless we see Vegito from one of the other 11 universes, I do not think that he will appear again. Perhaps there is another universe where they used the Potara Fusion, but for whatever reason they did not split apart.

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This is what happened in the DB Multiverse series because there was a universe where Vegito did not remove the barrier protecting him within Buu’s body. After escaping with the absorbed Z-Fighters, Vegito killed Kid Buu (and the fusion stayed intact).

I know that DB Super is changing some of the events of Battle of Gods/Revival of F, but it is still unknown whether or not the ending of DBZ anime/manga will be kept the same. I am not just referring to Uub appearing and then leaving to train with Goku.

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I am talking about Goku and Vegeta not being fused into Vegito because we see them as two individual Saiyans.

That is why I feel that if they do fuse, Goku and Vegeta would use the Fusion Dance to become Gogeta.

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Who is to say that the Kais couldn’t make special Potara Earrings that would allow a temporary fusion?

However, that would be like opening a can of worms in order to make Vegito show up again.

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Another possibly is that Whis (or another being) knows of a fusion technique that we have never seen before! There really is no clear understanding on where the story of DB Super is going because it has just started. I am really excited because of the revival of the DB franchise as a whole, and anything can happen!

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I could care less about which fusion appears because I love both Gogeta and Vegito. The one thing that I want to see more than anything is an opponent that makes a Goku/Vegeta fusion actually HAVE to use their full power!

Remember that Super Gogeta, Super Vegito and Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta dominated their opponents with ease. We never got to see the full extent of their power, and that is something that a lot of fans would want to see at some point.

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Can you imagine the power and techniques utilized by a full power Gogeta or Vegito? It makes me excited because any awesome techniques from the series are almost always put into DBZ video games. Not to mention the possibility of a new Super Saiyan level!

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Which fusion do you think will appear in the future; Gogeta, Vegito or someone entirely new?

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DBGT: Why Was Uub/Majuub So Underrated?

by Jeremy Carden

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It hurts me to see Goku’s pupil and one of the most powerful characters in the DBGT series so underrated. After 10 straight years of training with Goku, Uub was equal to Goku in base form.

Now a lot of people argue that these two are as powerful as a Super Saiyan 2 or beyond. I like to keep things simple and based on my own perspective of the series; I feel that Goku (base form whether he is in his adult or kid body) and Uub are at least as powerful as a Super Saiyan 2. I do not feel that they are at a Super Saiyan 3 level of power though.

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With that being said, I think the only character aside from Super Saiyan Goku (and his other forms) that could defeat Uub would be Super Saiyan 1 or 2 Vegeta. Considering that Kid Goku (base form) was able to defeat Baby Super Saiyan Goten and Super Saiyan 2 Gohan with relative ease, I think Uub would be able to do the same.

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Remember during his battle with Baby Vegeta, Uub was able to hold his own. After blasting Baby into a wall, the Baby-infected Gohan, Goten and Trunks rush to the scene to assist. However, Baby scolds them saying that he was only testing Uub’s power and that he might be stronger than all 3 of them combined. He then blasts them saying that they are useless to him now seemingly killing them all. Keep in mind that assists in confirming my earlier statement that Uub would be able to defeat the 3 Saiyan/Human hybrids with Vegeta being the only other character aside from Goku who could defeat him.

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After fusing with Mr. Buu, I think that Majuub is at least more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. I’m basing this on the fact that Majuub put up a better fight against Baby Vegeta than Goku did. Considering that Super Saiyan 3 is 4x as powerful as a Super Saiyan 2 (Which I clock Uub’s power at), I’d say the fusion of Buu and Uub raised his power at least 4x over.

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Baby was struggling to keep up with Majuub’s attacks but he wasn’t even fazed by any of Goku’s hits saying that Goku had not gotten a bit stronger since their first battle on Earth. You could argue that it is because Goku wasn’t at 100% as a Super Saiyan 3. However, keep in mind that since his tail grew back (thanks to Old Kai) he was able to hold Super Saiyan 3 without reverting back to base form after transforming for a few seconds.

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Goku was fighting at his max but Baby was able to beat him with ease but it wasn’t until he overexerted himself was he able to deflect Majuub’s Chocolate Kamehameha. Remember before successfully pushing back Majuub’s attack, Baby’s muscles bulked up and gave him enough power to deflect Majuub’s move back at him changing him into chocolate.

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At the beginning of their fight, Baby commented on how Uub’s fighting style/techniques (despite having Goku’s “stink” on them) were probably even better than Goku’s but of course no match for him.

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Keep in mind that Uub said that as soon as he felt something strange occurring on Earth (Baby infecting people worldwide) he decided to go into the mountains and continue his training. I’m assuming that he masked his Ki to avoid Baby sensing him and placing an egg inside of his body. He must have also hid on the Capsule Corp. ship in order to get to the Tuffle Planet as well.

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So, Uub was more powerful than he was at the beginning of the series since he continued his training after leaving the Lookout.

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Looking at all of this information, I consider Majuub to have exceeded his master/mentor in terms of power. For a short period of time, Majuub was the most powerful Z-Fighter!

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At least until Goku went Super Saiyan 4 that is knocking Majuub to #2.

After being eaten by Baby it seemed that Majuub was digested and most likely dead. It was a shame since Goku was late by just a few seconds. I would have loved to see master and student team up to fight against Baby Vegeta!

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However, he “reemerged” inside of Baby or should I say Vegeta’s stomach in order to restrain the giant ape in order for Goku to get his power restored by Goten, Trunks and Gohan.

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It seemed as if Majuub had this planned all along. If he had been more powerful than Baby Vegeta then he would have just defeated him. Majuub must have planned ahead knowing that he could not win and instead opted to use a latent attack inside of Baby. This is similar to Goku’s delayed 10x Kamehameha Wave on Baby before.

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What made me mad about this scene was that instead of Goku getting his Ki restored, everyone stood around just gawking at Baby writhing in pain. It wasn’t until Kibito Kai yelled at Goku that he realized that Majuub was doing it all for him and they started powering up.

Goku promised a sparring match with Majuub after the battle with Baby was over but we never see it…

Here is where Majuub is reduced to a second rate character instead of second best (after SS4 Goku). Moving on to the World Tournament, he made it to the finals and actually thought that Mr. Satan was a powerful World Champion. He was using wrestling moves like the German Suplex and other submission holds before going in for the win. Buu showed up in his subconscious to remind Uub that Mr. Satan was the champion and if the Earthlings saw their champion defeated it would make them upset and sad.

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It seemed that Buu paralyzed Uub’s body allowing one punch from Hercule to send him out of the ring losing the match. Even when he tried to explain to Goku and the others that he did not lose the match on purpose and that it was Buu who told him to throw the match they just thought he was being modest. After seeing how happy Mr. Satan was he smiled as he was able to help out the champ.

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One a side note, Majuub’s disguise in the tournament as Papayaman was almost as ridiculous as Gohan’s Great Saiyaman days back in DBZ. I didn’t really see the point of it but oh well it was supposed to be a “filler” episode just to lead up to the Super 17 Saga but still…

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Remember at the end of DBZ, Goku told Goten and Trunks to continue their training because someday Uub would look to those two for leadership.

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In the end this was far from the truth because during the assault against the escaped villains from Hell, Majuub was the one “leading the force” to destroy all of the enemies while they were attacking cities around the globe.

He was even able to kill General Rilldo in one blast before he was able to turn Gohan completely into metal. That showed how powerful he was after fusing with Buu.

Against Super 17 he was easily defeated even with Super Saiyan Trunks and Goten along with Super Saiyan 2 Gohan and Vegeta attacking the Android.

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Now before the group transformed into their Super Saiyan forms, everyone attacked 17 which didn’t even faze the fused bot. what made me mad was that Majuub unleashed a barrage of punches and kicks that did nothing. Afterwards Majuub was huffing and puffing like he was exhausted! Just from that simple melee barrage, the most powerful Z-Fighter on Earth (Goku was in Hell) was tired?!?!?

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My guess is that because he had expended so much energy destroying all of the other villains attacking the earth he was a bit tired. I think that was part of Dr. Gero and Dr. Myuu’s plan to wear out the Z-Team before unleashing their ultimate weapon.

That sounds good in theory and honestly I like to think that is the truth rather than them rewriting Majuub to be useless compared to Vegeta or the other Super Saiyans even though he exceeds them in power…

In any case, I feel that he was far too easily defeated by Super 17 and this was before he started absorbing Ki attacks.

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Though it is uncertain whether or not Super 17 absorbed Gohan’s Kamehameha Wave and Vegeta’s Final Shine attack.

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The Shadow Dragons Saga is where I feel Majuub was extremely underrated. He was the only one able to hold off Syn Shernon while Gohan, Goten and Trunks gave their Super Saiyan power to Goku in order to restore his Super Saiyan 4 power beyond his limits.

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After grabbing Syn from behind for a choke-hold, it actually appeared to injure Syn for a second. Powering up and emitting an aura was enough to surprise Syn by how hard he was holding him until Syn got out of the hold.

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He was easily defeated by Syn after he deflected one of his most powerful Ki blasts before the dragon countered with his own blast that hit Majuub in the face sending him hurtling to the ground.

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When Goku apparently defeated Syn with a 10x Kamehameha Wave, everyone gathered together to celebrate the victory. The only problem with that was no one even mentioned that Majuub was still missing after being attacked by Syn. I mean not one person even attempted to go look for him considering he got beaten pretty badly from that one blast.

You could argue that it was because Syn reemerged before anyone could do something but still. They were more concerned with finding the other Dragonballs without even bringing Majuub up. If it wasn’t for him stalling Syn, Goku would not have been able to get the power needed to defeat the dragon in the first place.

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It wasn’t until 1 ½ episodes later did Majuub resurface after Goku and Vegeta fused into Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta. After struggling to make it back to the scene (again no one lifted a finger to help him), he suggested that he, Goten, Trunks and Gohan fuse; well of course Goten would fuse with Trunks and Gohan with Majuub. However, Gohan pointed out that they’d need to have the same power level for Fusion to work correctly and that Majuub should let his body heal first.

What I liked about that moment was it showed how much of a proactive character Majuub was. Even though he was seriously injured he thought it best to be out on the battlefield instead of just sitting around on the sidelines.

He wanted to fuse with someone in order to help out Gogeta. Even though it turned out that Gogeta was MORE than capable of taking down Omega, it would have been interesting to see 2 fused beings take on the powerful dragon. If anything perhaps the fusion of Majuub and Gohan would have convinced Gogeta to get the job done instead of playing around but it is one of those things that we will never know.

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He did see escape as hopeless after Omega launched the Negative Karma Ball because as everyone else was trying to evacuate before the blast hit, Majuub sensed that even if they tried to run away it wouldn’t matter because the entire planet would blow up if the bomb hit the ground.

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I was a little upset that he wasn’t in the group to help fight Omega with Vegeta and the others but it was because Goten told him to gather all of his villagers in Bulma’s spaceship in order to escape the planet.

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Majuub’s Candy Ray would have been able to defeat the Shadow Dragons, Baby Vegeta and maybe even Super 17 unless he absorbed the ray instead of being transformed after being hit with the attack.

Overall, I just hated to see one of the most powerful Z-Fighters reduced to nothing but a background character. Sure I know that GT pretty much made everyone who was not Goku look like Krillin or Yamcha in comparison to his power but still. I know this might be off topic but I feel that the ONLY reason Vegeta was able to go Super Saiyan 4 was just so the fans would see a Goku/Vegeta Fusion in the series! Due to that Majuub is #3…

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I mean Uub was Goku’s student and should have played a much larger role in the series. GT should have been more about the lives of Goku’s friends and sons rather than just about him. The series should have incorporated the idea of Uub being the protector of peace that Goku spent 10 years training him to be. Instead GT was an awkward attempt at mixing the action of DBZ with the more comedy driven original DB series and it just created bad result in my opinion.

Did you want to see more out of Uub/Majuub in the GT series?

Dragonball GT: Adult Gotenks

by Jeremy Carden

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Why didn’t Gohan go Mystic?

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How come Vegeta doesn’t go Super Saiyan 3?

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Was there a reason that Pan never went Super Saiyan?

These are some of the MANY questions that fans ask about the GT series. However there is one that baffles the minds of fans and makes them very angry due to the absence of one particular character in GT. What a lot of fans wanted to see was the adult version of Gotenks.

One of the most impressive things to me personally would be if Goten and Trunks got the Fusion Dance correct on their first attempt. There was a 10 year gap between Z and GT so Gotenks probably didn’t appear during that time.

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They did use the Fusion Dance in the movie/special that took place 2 years after the defeat of Kid Buu, Yo! Son Goku and his friends return! However they got it incorrect on their first try and then got it right on their second try admitting that they were out of practice.

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In the next movie Battle of Gods which takes place 3 years later, they get it down on their first attempt BUT a quick spanking from Bills takes Super Saiyan Gotenks out of the fight.

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Well moving on 5 years later we see Goten and Trunks at age 17 and 18 but no sign of Gotenks most likely due to no major threat at the end of Z it is just them fighting in the World Tournament.

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So, moving on 10 years later we arrive at the beginning of GT. Originally Vegeta and Chi-Chi were going to send the two slacker Saiyans into space with Goku to find the Blackstar Dragonballs. However due to Pan basically doing something that contributed to this series going down the toilet…

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She pressed the start button to go into space leaving Goten behind so for a year there was no Gotenks in sight. The reason I say year is since they have a full year to find the balls and bring them back before the Earth explodes.

I’ll go on a limb and say what a lot of fans might just agree on; there were PLENTY of times when Gotenks could have or should have made an appearance!

I’m sure if Goten were in space with Trunks and Goku instead of Pan, Gotenks was going to throw down on some galactic monsters and robots!

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Come on I could see Gotenks fighting against General Rilldo or Luud and those would have been some interesting battles instead of seeing a Kid Goku just beat every down like they were nothing.

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Another reason I’m confident in Gotenks being seen during their travels in space is because Goten AND Trunks had not been training at all. Think about all of the time Trunks was EASILY taken down during battles.

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  3. Mutchy held off Trunks for awhile with a pile of bricks thanks to his psychic abilities and it was only after turning Super Saiyan was he able to get them off of him
  4. One mouth blast took him out of the battle with Luud again leaving it up to Goku to win (along with Pan’s help)

Just a few examples of how Trunks’ lack of training didn’t do anything positive while traveling with Goku. It pretty much proves that Vegeta was right with him and Goten being way too soft during the times of peace.

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Moving on to later in the Baby Saga, Gotenks should have appeared during the fight with the giant Golden Ape Baby. However, Goku said that Gotenks would not be enough even if Gohan, Gotenks and himself fought.

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He then opted to take their energy to recharge himself to a full power Super Saiyan 4. The flaw I see in this is that Gotenks most likely could have offered more Ki to Goku than Goten and Trunks separately. Not to mention they probably could have recharged Goku even faster than they did by doing the Fusion.

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I would have loved to see Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks trying his hand at stopping that rampaging ape!

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Then in the Super 17 Saga, even though it would not have been necessary (except against General Rilldo most likely) to take out all of the returning villains Gotenks could have been used to take them out with ease.

Alright now here is where we get to the point that it was outright ridiculous for Goten and Trunks to have not fused! The 2 Android 17s fused into Super 17 but Goten and Trunks opted to fight solo…

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Seriously, the two Androids fused to become a much stronger being but Gotenks did not appear to fight? Really the writers screwed up on that one! I know with Gotenks being as cocky as he is, I’m sure he’d get in some massive Ki attacks that would have just made Super 17 stronger but still it would have been cool to see.

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Finally we get to the Shadow Dragons Saga when all of the Z Fighters unite to help Goku against Syn/Omega Shenron. Again the Saiyans are used as “batteries” to recharge Goku so he could surpass his limits as a Super Saiyan 4.

Gotenks should have appeared to help charge up Goku faster but again…oh well you know what happens!

When trying to stall Omega for Goku and Vegeta to fuse, it makes sense that Goten and Trunks don’t fuse because those two and Gohan gave their Super Saiyan powers to Goku so them not even going Super Saiyan to stall Omega was understandable since their powers probably hadn’t returned yet.

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After Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta makes the scene, Majuub (who everyone seemed to forget about after he got blasted in the face by Syn) appears saying that they should fuse to help out. However Gohan points out that their power levels wouldn’t be equal since Majuub got injured so badly and that he should heal first.

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Then in the final stand against Omega before his defeat by the Universal Spirit Bomb, Gohan/Trunks/Goten return to help Vegeta fight off the dragon but are quickly defeated. Again I was another chance for Gotenks to appear to help give them a better chance even if it was a slim one.

It is a shame Gotenks had multiple opportunities to appear in GT but the writers just didn’t deliver. What I would have loved to see more than anything else was if Gotenks would have any new or crazy attacks in his arsenal. Remember Goten and Trunks were not even 10 and they had deadly attacks like the Super Ghosts and Galactic Doughnut! I think that is what would have made me laugh the most seeing Gotenks goofy around with dangerous opponents like Omega or Super 17.

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However in the Japanese Arcade Game Dragonball Heroes we are finally given an Adult Gotenks!

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What a lot of fans question is the change in Gotenks outfit; black undershirt, Capsule Corp. boots and Trunks’ gloves instead of the traditional Fusion Dance outfit. I think it is an interesting change so they would not look like another Gogeta after fusing but that is just my opinion.

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This seriously would have been one of the things that could have improved GT. In the trailer for DB Heroes, Adult Gotenks appears fighting Oceanus Shenron along with other characters in the game. Not to jump off topic but I think that if the Shadow Dragon Saga did not just focus a majority of time on Pan and Goku it would have been a lot better than it was.

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Something I might cover in another blog is my opinion on how the Shadow Dragon Saga should have been Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Majuub, Goten and Trunks going off to different locations to fight individual Shadow Dragons before coming up against Syn Shenron before a final showdown with Omega. That again would have been a chance for Gotenks to fight in the GT series!

 

What are your thoughts on the absence of Gotenks in the GT series? And do you feel that his appearance in DB Heroes is a hint of things to come in future DB games?