Tyler Perry’s The Haves and the Have Nots Theory: How Far Will Veronica Go?

By Jeremy Carden


I am sure all HAHN fans can agree that there is no mercy when it comes to the Ice Queen Veronica. At this point, she is very similar to Candace since everyone loves to hate her. From what we’ve seen in Season 3 in terms of her behavior, I would have to say that the love that stems from hate has boiled into rage for most fans.


That is why the topic of today’s blog is; How far will Veronica go?

Having gone through 2 full seasons of the show it is easy to see that this entire show is like a game of chess. Most characters have their own strategies of using others as pawns for an even greater purpose.


We’ve see this numerous times in the series and a great example involves how Candace was using Amanda to get at Jim (and her $12 million inheritance). Throw in “The Bastard” himself by using Norman Hewens to cover up Wyatt’s crime, Bryon as a hidden detective to spy on Hanna, etc.

I could make a list instead of a blog for the numerous times that characters have used characters for their own motives.

Now when it comes to Veronica…

I don’t even know where to begin because this woman has strings attached to nearly everyone as if they were puppets!


Honestly, it is difficult to say if she is more coldblooded than Candace. This could be the main reason her claws come out whenever “Number 9” is in her presence. Veronica has shown to have a keen intuition and she has been right on numerous occasions.

In Episode 1, she bluntly tells Katheryn to keep her eye on Candace because there was something she didn’t like about her. Then in Season 2, she was right about the fact that Maggie was after her husband.

Something tells me that Veronica and Candace are very similar in their characteristics, but go about getting their way a bit differently. I’m sure that Veronica would never admit it to herself or anyone else.

At the moment, she is at the top of her game because it seems that nearly everything is going her way. I think that she will not be satisfied until every little thing is under her control. Doesn’t that sound familiar?


Candace told Jim that she LOVES to be in control, and I think the same can easily be said about Veronica.

Her treatment of her homosexual son has been the hot topic of the series. This woman will not let up for a second! I mean we saw glimpses of this in Season 1, but it was never fully revealed until the Season 1 finale.


Then in Season 2, we see her blackmailing Jeffery with his car and then forcing Melissa on him. Now it is pretty much out in the open of her distain for his homosexual lifestyle and it has not gone unnoticed.

I know that fans were glad to see Veronica getting slammed from different directions about her needing to be honest with herself and about accepting Jeffery for who he is! Katheryn and David tried this best, but Veronica was not having it. We could see that while Katheryn was talking about children being their own people, Veronica was taking those words to heart.

Veronica is clearly ignoring the fact that Jeffery is gay, and she would rather do whatever it took to change him instead of accepting it.

We see Melissa sitting beside a hospital bed in the last episode when she is called by Veronica. There is a man sleeping in the bed and it seems that Melissa knows him well. Could this be her father or a relative of hers?

David tells her (in the nicest way possible) that Jeffery is gay and has no interest in her. It would be better to find someone who is interested in her (that is straight) instead of wasting her time with Jeffery.


Based on her tone of voice when she is telling David that she likes him and eventually he will like her…something feels a bit off about this arrangement. Wyatt said it best that he doesn’t know a straight girl that would just willingly stay with a man knowing that he is gay.


Veronica has something on her and even David suspects this after getting off of the phone with Melissa. Most fans are speculating that Veronica is paying to take care of Melissa’s father. That seems to be the most plausible theory at this point. She wanted to find someone like her to seduce her son into being straight, and as always it was important to get a girl that she could control in some way.


Fans feel that Veronica has gone way too far when she sent Quincy over to Jeffery’s apartment to “rough him up” and show him a taste of reality like he did for Jim Cryer. I couldn’t agree more because this might be leading up to something that will make her regret that decision.

She told Katheryn that she hates violence, but she was quick to call out Veronica for that lie. Even though she thinks she has Quincy on a leash by threatening to kill his family, at some point he will break off that leash and bite her! He does not seem like the kind of “dog” that can be kept on the leash for too long.

Now Quincy’s family being in danger seems to be the only way of Veronica keeping him in check. When it comes to Candy, he does not appear to hold anything back in order to find her. I do not think that Jeffery will be killed, but I do feel that if it were not for him eventually giving in after that beat down then he would have died.


In the preview for next week, it appears that Quincy is laughing while talking on the phone. You can see this if you notice the hand that is up against the refrigerator. I’m assuming that Jeffery does give him the password to save his life. He deserves a lot of credit because he is not a snitch and was willing to protect Candace. This reminds me of how he was willing to protect Wyatt from going to jail.

Realizing that his mother would go to the lengths of sending a murderer fresh out of jail (thanks to her) to his house to beat him up could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back!


My hope is that Jeffery does not commit suicide like Amanda, but based on the way he is living it would not surprise me if he does. His mother has him practically living a huge lie, and he is under a lot of stress! From the fear of being put in jail for a crime that he did not commit or the pressure of being in a relationship with a woman even though he is gay.

I think that her “being a gangster” as Quincy put it gave Jeffery the “taste of reality” that he needed. Now I’m not referring to live as a homosexual and the hardships of it that Veronica was apparently trying to show him. I’m referring to Jeffery finally seeing that his mother would go through these incredible lengths simply to control him.


Does Veronica have a chance for redemption?

I do not think that it is ever too late for someone to turn their life around. When she comes to Jeffery’s apartment the morning of the press conference, I thought that this was the moment we were waiting for. She was clearly distraught after finding David coming out of Maggie’s bedroom, and really I felt that a mother-son moment was about to occur.

Jeffery was concerned because he had never seen his mother like this and wanted to know what was going on. She told him about David and Maggie’s “affair” but instead of finding comfort with her son; she blames the entire thing on him!

That was the moment that did it for me! I threw my hands up saying that this woman has gone too far!


How about her treatment of David?

Well this section of the blog will not be as long as the portion about Jeffery because it can be summed up pretty easily. Veronica does not realize that she has a wonderful husband! I will admit that he has lied to her and this was seen in Season 1, but he is still a great man that loves his wife!


He could have been like Jim and had a number of mistresses, but he is not that kind of man. Even when he attempted to have an affair with Maggie because he was fed up with how Veronica was treating Jeffery; he couldn’t do it.

David’s speech to Jeffery about making too many sacrifices to protect everyone else has a lot of fans wondering about what David sacrificed when it came to Veronica. Honestly, I think if we ever found out what David put up with prior to the start of the series might shed some light on his earlier life with Veronica.

We know that they met in law school and it was during this time that they fell in love. Despite being a bit controlling ever since they’ve known each other, David points out that Veronica has never been like she is now.


She did tell Jeffery that her first time having sex was something that she did not enjoy. Also, she had an abortion back when she was having a child by someone she met in college who said they loved her. This led to her battling with alcoholism and that eventually ended after she went into rehab. Afterwards, she started her own rehabilitation center after noticing all of the things wrong with the one that she was in.

I do believe that David mentioned not drinking for his wife’s sake, but ended his dry spell after meeting with Maggie. It was also mentioned that she had a slight struggle with a pain pill addiction after hurting her back while practicing law.

The major thing about her past that needs to be brought out in order to potentially bring her down would be her mother! David has been seen calling her a few times in Season 2, and in one episode he gets a call from her at the campaign office. Landon tells him that his mother-in-law is on the other line, but while we see David leave Jim’s office to take the call it is unknown what they talked about.


We do know that Jim sued Veronica’s father (for undisclosed reasons) and her mother does not like him at all because of it.

I think it all goes back to how Veronica grew up, and she has said that she did not come from wealth. From the mean streets of Chicago born and raised! Our Ice Queen did not have it all, and for all we know she had similar beginnings like Candace. I’m not saying she was molested as a child like Candace was at age 5.

She and Candace followed different roads to the elite lifestyle, but perhaps when her mother is introduced we will get a better understanding of who Veronica really is.

Why does she feel the need to want to control everyone and everything? Not to mention her addiction to the spotlight as Jim pointed out. Hanna did say that Candace was embarrassed by her because her mother was a maid. Was the same true about Veronica and her parents?

Obviously, David thinks that calling Veronica’s mother will solve some things. He told Jim that he called her because they were having marital problems. I’m hoping that she comes to the show soon because her daughter has a lot of things to answer for.

I’m curious because whenever David said that he is coming home, Veronica cuts him off by saying “I dare you…” Makes you wonder what she would do to poor David.


Finally, the Black Sedan that Veronica has been hiding since the start of Season 2 is the glue to her plan of controlling Jeffery. What do I think will happen to it?

If you ask me, I think that the towing company that Benny (and Candace) is thinking about buying has the car! Remember that Benny’s friend said that the auction included a towing building and a number of trucks! Who is to say that the car wasn’t towed and brought to the building?


Keep in mind that Veronica knows the location of the car because she called it in to see where it was. However, she does not know that the company that is holding the car is up for sale.

Just keep watching the show and things will begin to crumble for Veronica! It also seems that Wyatt is going to be calling to D.A. to confess about everything and this could include Veronica hiding the car.

Even though it seems that she is on the top at the moment, her icy throne will start to melt and she is going to fall flat on her face!


The way that she treats people “below” her in terms of social status is another thing that makes fans enraged. The hotel security guard at the Sarandon, the cop at the Cryer house and the list goes on! Not to mention the fact that she calls every male on the show “Boy” (Jeffery, Quincy, Benny).


Whether you love or hate Veronica, you have to give credit to Angela Robinson because she has this role down to the letter! This just goes to show that Tyler Perry knows how to cast the right people for the right roles. I also think that Robinson had her own perspective on where Veronica’s character should go and gave it her own special twist. No one can pull off a speech like her!

I know at some point she is eventually going to be brought down because her devious ways will not go on forever!

She will go to great lengths to get her way and that fact has been made on the show multiple times. The highest of which is threatening her own son with prison!

How do you think the Ice Queen will be dethroned?


Will it be because Quincy finally turns on her? Does Maggie get a second chance to throw down the woman who beat her down? Can David or Jeffery FINALLY stand up to her (or stand against her together)? How about the “missing” Black Sedan? Will it be because of her mother?

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Tyler Perry’s The Haves and the Have Nots Theory: Amanda Cryer is Celine’s Daughter

By Jeremy Carden

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The hit OWN soap opera written by Tyler Perry “The Haves and the Have Nots” is full of plot twists and cliffhangers that leave fans wanting more every Tuesday night. Something that makes this show so addicting is the seemingly endless amount of surprises that occur during each episode. Fans like myself pay close attention to certain little Easter eggs or clues within an episode that may foreshadow certain events that might occur in future shows.

Personally, I have many theories about this amazing show that I’d love to discuss. The main focus of this blog will be on a theory put together by my mother and myself. The two of us watch each episode on Tuesday night very carefully and I tweet away with the cast of the show and other fans on Twitter. It is a great time because we really hash out everything between commercial breaks about little clues and dialogue that might hint to other things later on in the season.


We believe there is a possibly that Amanda Cryer is the daughter of Celine Gonzales NOT Katheryn Cryer!

Of course I wouldn’t make such a far-fetched theory without having at least some form of evidence to back up my claims.

My mom first noticed this possibility in Season 2, it all started for us when we noticed that Celine was given not only a paycheck for working at the Cryer Mansion as a maid. Jim also gives her an unknown amount of money each month.

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We know that Jim and Celine had some form of courtship at some point prior to when the series began. Katheryn has listed Candace as “#9” in Jim’s long list of mistresses. In Season 2, she calls out Celine as “#4” and we also learn that Katheryn only keeps her around just so Jim can have a constant reminder of his cheating ways walking around the house.

Something else that is interesting was the confrontation the two have in the episode “Family Issues.” It turns out that despite Katheryn threatening to fire Celine, she knows better because Celine knows too much information about the Cryer Family and that she could damage the family’s reputation with everything she knows.

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Now we know the affair that Jim had with her was something that he pretty much wrote off as something to comfort him when he was having trouble with his marriage. Celine mentioned that they’d have long talks about how awful Katheryn was and that was what lead to their eventual fling. Despite saying that he loved her, Jim claims that he only said that to well have sex with Celine…

Alright so we have established that Celine and Jim HAD an affair behind Katheryn’s back (but it turns out she knew about it) and it was the fourth one he had (hence why Katheryn calls Celine #4).

So, with that being said it is time to really look at both Amanda and Celine to see how this theory holds up!10419725_923593031000149_1678094451_n

Just looking at them in the picture above you can see some similarities. Pay attention to things like skin tone, facial structure/appearance and the hair. Don’t they look somewhat similar?

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Now something else I want to mention is that the Haves seem to mirror the Have Nots in more ways than one. The major difference between the Young and Cryer families is their morals. Despite not having a lot of money, the Young family has a lot of soul. The Cryer family on the other hand seems to have the mentality of “get what you want at all costs” (Though Candace Young seems to live by this policy as well).

I’ve always felt that whatever happens in the Cryer family happens to the Young Family and vice versa at some point in the series or even at the same time.

Let me break it down;


As I said, Amanda and Celine look very similar and now let’s compare this to Tony and Benny in the series. When I first saw Tony in Season 1, I just knew he was related to Benny in some way. Honesty, I thought that he was Benny’s dad in real life outside of the show. We later learn that he is indeed the biological father of Benny Young!

We know that Benny and Candace are Hanna’s children but have different birth fathers.

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Now let’s “mirror” that to the Cryer family according to my theory, Jim is the father of Wyatt and Amanda. However, they have different birth mothers between Katheryn and Celine.

It seems that Wyatt is the child who causes trouble for the Cryers like Candace does for the Young family.

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Both Amanda and Benny are kind individuals but can be a bit naïve in certain situations. They each see the good side of Candace, but many fans argue that she is just using them to her ends. Honestly, I feel that she is sincerely a good sister (at least in Benny’s eyes) and does care for her brother. It can be argued as to whether or not she is really Amanda’s friend or she is just using her to get her hands on her $12 million inheritance (I’ll get into that later in the blog).


One of the key elements that Celine and Amanda share is a case of paranoia. This is first seen in Celine when she randomly gets overly protective of Jim. It all starts when she notices Hanna and Katheryn getting very friendly with each other. From her perspective it was both unfair and confusing because after all her years working for the family, Katheryn had never treated her in such a kind manner.

However, it all boils down to her knowing Jim had an affair with her which explains a few things about how she treats Celine. I recall one of the earlier episodes when Celine tells Hanna to use the back staircase because Katheryn doesn’t like seeing the help. Then later on she tells Hanna that Katheryn never asked her to stay beyond her work hours after she notices Hanna staying later than she did. Of course it all again points back to Katheryn knowing about their affair.


As the episodes go on, we see Celine’s personality drastically changing. She went from being Hanna’s good friend to her most bitter enemy. It seemed that as the episodes went on she became more and more paranoid over Hanna having a thing for Jim. At one point she even claimed that Hanna and Katheryn had something going on!


One of the funniest lines from Season 1 was when she told Hanna that Jim did not have a thing for black women. That just made me laugh so hard considering since Episode 1, Jim had been sleeping around with Candace who is a beautiful black woman (shout out to Tika Sumpter)!



She even gets into a physical confrontation with Hanna in Season 2 after lying about giving her messages to Katheryn. This just goes deeper into showing that this woman has a lot of hidden aggression and is very territorial. Something else to keep in mind is that Celine knows how to hold a grudge!


Let’s look at Amanda now and how her personality is similar to Celine’s. Now in the case of Wyatt’s substance abuse along with Amanda’s past of self-harm through cutting and suicide attempts, it all seems to stem back to the summer camp they attended when they were younger. When Amanda is in the hospital after a pill overdose in response to her getting raped by the professor and her pregnancy test being positive, Wyatt reveals to Jeffery that they experienced sexual abuse by one of the priests.

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That was one reason why Wyatt did not really involve himself with religion after that summer and it is safe to assume the same is true for his sister. Another thing to point out is that Jim said Katheryn’s father was a raging drunk.


Aside from doing drugs, Wyatt was seen to have something of a drinking problem himself. This was noticeable in the first episode of the series and one of the reasons he was placed in rehab. Just noticing that little bit of information is enough for me to assume that he is indeed the biological son of Katheryn and Jim rather than Celine and Jim since Katheryn’s father was a drunk as well.

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In the first episode when Candace tells Amanda to try on some dresses that expose more of her curves and skin, Amanda says that she’d rather try them on in private. Candace is confused by this but Amanda simply says it is because she would just rather put them on in private. This struck my mother and I as strange but later on we learn that she cuts herself and we put two and two together. It stands to reason that she was self-conscious about trying her dresses on in front of Candace because of possible scars she has from previous cuts she had done to herself.

Either that or it could be possibly linked to the experience she had with the priest at the camp. It could be because she had to undress in front of him and ever since then she’d rather not undress in front of anyone even if it is just a fellow girl who is a friend. With that in mind, I think it really has to do with her possibly having scars from past suicide attempts and cutting herself.


Similar to Celine, we see Amanda as a kind person who is friendly and the apple of her father’s eye. Kind of funny how she is the apple of Jim’s eye while he is the apple of Celine’s eye…

We then see that Amanda is not really confident in her own abilities and is quick to quit something whenever things get tough. Not to mention when she feels ignored she is quick to use her self-harm tactics as a warning. She tells this to her father when he brushes off her attempts to quit law school for fashion design.

Notice that when Celine feels neglected or ignored (by Jim), this causes her to push harder than before to get what she wants. When Amanda feels ignored she will cause harm to herself.


After being raped by her law professor and her pregnancy test being positive (though Candace says that she is not pregnant), she took a large quantity of pills in order to die from an overdose as I mentioned before. She is very fragile as Katheryn describes and also highly naïve not being able to see things that are clearly right in front of her.

A few episodes later it is revealed that Amanda has some very deep-seated emotional/psychological problems that she must take medication for. Resulting from this problem, her temperament can become touchy, mercurial and even nutty.

Currently, she has recently been stalking her former law professor who raped her!

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In the Season 2 finale, she even stabs him in broad daylight!

Compare this to Celine who is convinced that Jim still loves her. Just as Amanda pops up in her professor’s home or in public, Celine would do the same to Jim whenever he was in the house. Of course their motives were very different because Celine would come to Jim in an attempt to rekindle their “flame” while Amanda would appear out of vengeance.

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Both of them can be classified as “nutty” when you really think about it. The paranoia Celine felt when she thought Hanna was attracted to Jim is similar to Amanda’s paranoia and defensiveness whenever Jeffery says she needs “help.”


Not to get off topic, but in regards to Amanda’s medication I feel that Candace is the cause of her not being mentally stable from Season 2 to the present. Alright let’s look at it this way, Candace found the will stating the inheritance for Wyatt and Amanda. She is entitled to $12 million but has not been receiving one penny of it despite being able to have access to it when she was 18 (or 21 I forgot the exact age that was stated in the will).

Remember how at the end of Season 1, Jim was willing to pay whatever it took for Candace to have an abortion and for her to leave Amanda alone. Candace refused this and instead wanted a large amount of money for child support. Of course, we know the main reason she was acting so calm and brushing off Jim’s offer was because she knew the BIG money came in the form of Amanda’s inheritance.

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It appears that she had been taking her medication prior to when she moved into Candace’s apartment, got raped and the beginning of Season 2 started. When he noticed her strange behavior, Jeffery asked if she was still taking her medication. Out of anger, she stated that not only was she still taking her medication but she had gotten a new bottle of pills. She even goes as far to tell Jeffery to count to pills in order to prove she had been taking them.

Based on her previous tactics in order to gain what she wants, it would not surprise me if Candace somehow swapped Amanda’s pills! Think of it this way, considering she was Amanda’s roommate and it was her apartment she was technically Amanda’s “legal guardian.” Now by messing with her medication, Amanda would slowly grow emotionally and mentally unstable. It would be somewhat convenient for Candace that this would happen around the same time the lawsuit against Amanda’s parents was filed.


Let’s say that Amanda wins the case and gets her hands on the $12 million she is entitled to. Based on that fact that she would be deemed mentally unstable, it stands to reason that the person to handle the money in her place until she was able to would be her “legal guardian.” In that case it would be Candace and she will get exactly what she wants from Amanda!

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Whether or not you agree with this theory about Candace using Amanda as a pawn is up to personal opinion. You could possibly argue that after her suicide attempt by taking too many pills, Amanda would refuse to take any pills even if it was her proper medication. However, I do not think that is the case especially after she told Jeffery that he could count her pills to confirm that she HAD been taking her pills after getting a fresh bottle from her doctor. I think Candace somehow swapped her pills and despite Amanda taking them on the regular they were not doing what her REAL pills were supposed to do which explains her crazy behavior.

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It is possible that the emotional troubles Amanda has were passed on from Celine, kind of like how Wyatt possibly got his alcohol problem from his grandfather.

Overall, the reasoning behind the theory of Amanda being the daughter of Celine is based on how similar they look, their personality traits and the “hush money” that Celine receives from Jim. We don’t know how much she receives or even what this extra money is for. My mom suggests that it is pretty much child support for a nameless child she had with Jim (Amanda…).

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Now you might be wondering since Amanda is really the daughter of Jim and Celine instead of Jim and Katheryn why in the world would she be treated as Katerhyn’s daughter. It all points back to how much Katheryn values the reputation of her family name. Can you imagine how damaging it would be to the Cryer/Hardgrave name if the “respectable” Judge Jim Cryer had an outside baby…with his maid?!?!

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You would think it was the Arnold Schwarzenegger scandal all over again in a Tyler Perry show!


Not to mention the similarities of Schwarzenegger being Governor of California while Jim is running for Governor of Georgia! Funny how this show seems to mirror real life sometimes, great writing Tyler Perry!

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How do you feel about this theory? Will Amanda be revealed to be the daughter of Celine? There are so many unanswered questions that I’m sure Mr. Perry will reveal to us in due time. Until that moment, let’s just kick back and watch the future episodes of The Haves and the Have Nots! Also keep your eyes peeled because as I mentioned before I have a few other theories about the show that I will eventually make blogs for.

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