Toppo Should Have Been The Final Opponent | Dragon Ball Super

By Jeremy Carden

For those of you that have not watched Episode 126, I would suggest clicking off this blog immediately to avoid spoilers.

If you watched the last episode of Super, I am sure you are aware that Toppo was eliminated by Vegeta’s Final Explosion sending him out of bounds.

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However, I think that Toppo was defeated much too quickly. Considering how awesome it was when he powered up to his God of Destruction state, Episode 125 was amazing compared to this episode. I am not saying that I disliked Episode 126, but it felt rushed for the most part.

The first half of the episode showed Toppo blowing up more rocks than inflicting damage on Android 17. Heck, the first 2-3 minutes of the episode was literally the last couple of minutes from last week’s episode!

I was also cringing at the thought of Piccolo and Beerus being excited that #17 was able to trick Toppo into being covered with rubble from the arena. Don’t get me wrong, it was a crafty strategy that worked. However, I can’t believe they thought a God of Destruction tier opponent would be overtaken by rocks of all things.

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One of the most epic scenes from last week’s episode was how easily Toppo defeated Frieza. #17 tossing that rock to prevent Frieza from being eliminated led a lot of viewers to believe the Frost Demon would be unconscious for at least one or two episodes. However, Frieza was back in this episode like nothing happened a few seconds ago.

Basically, the first 7-9 minutes of the episode was a game of cat and mouse between Toppo, Frieza and #17 like it was in the last episode. Vegeta got forced into fighting Toppo instead of him confronting the “second fiddle” of Universe 11 as the preview had viewers thinking he would.

I think for a solid minute, Vegeta was being bombarded by energy blasts from Toppo. During this entire scene, I was thinking #17 and Frieza would try to distract Toppo for Vegeta to counter. It just seemed like those two disappeared as soon as Toppo started attacking the Saiyan Prince.

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Honestly, I did not enjoy this fight as much as I thought I would. As I mentioned before, it seemed like Toppo was being rushed off the arena. The dialogue between Toppo and Vegeta was more interesting than the actual fight. Last week, Toppo was dominating his opponents. This week, Toppo was being knocked around like a ragdoll by Vegeta. It would have been better if their battle was at least two episodes. Have Vegeta struggling at first, but then pushing Toppo back after gaining a new sense of resolve by thinking of his loved ones.

Yes, I understand that Super is ending in about five episodes. However, this is going to lead to a very rushed ending that will leave a sour taste in the mouths of fans. Seeing the beam collision between the Final Flash and Toppo’s destructive energy was cool. Though it just felt too rushed for me to enjoy the scene. Vegeta thinking about his family and promise to Cabba was interesting. It showed the character growth that he has had since Z. Toppo was almost a representation of Majin Vegeta.

Remember that Toppo threw away everything that made him Toppo. He let go of his sense of good, evil and most importantly his justice. Just as Vegeta let go of what he considered to be petty attachments for Babidi to take his soul to gain enough power to close the gap between himself and Goku.

Going even further back into the Z series, remember that Vegeta told Goku to let go of his soft-heartedness to defeat Frieza. On the contrary, it was his soft heart that allowed him to become enraged enough to achieve the Super Saiyan transformation.

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This was one of the reasons why the Vegeta vs. Toppo fight should have been extended for at least another episode. We got to see Vegeta draw strength his family. This is very ironic because in the episode “Vegeta’s Respect”, Vegeta questioned if Goku had such amazing power because it was his sense of duty to protect his friends and loved ones. However, when Vegeta found himself with a family of his own, he did not get any sort of power increase.

All of that made the moment where he berated Toppo for surrendering his justice even better. The problem was that the scene was over in the blink of an eye, and did not have enough time for those words to sink in. There was more time spent on Vegeta’s fists pounding Toppo in the face or destroying the energy blasts sent his way. All of that looked good, but it would have been cooler to see Toppo somewhat second guessing his decision.

Even though the Final Explosion was incredible to see once again, this fight did not seem worthy of one. Vegeta did not seem to be having that much of a difficult time against Toppo that he would have to resort to using his suicidal technique.

After Vegeta lashed out at Toppo, he was not able to even land a hit on the Saiyan. All of this made Toppo’s feats in the last episode even less impressive because a few seconds later Vegeta is beating the tar out of him.

It appears that Super seems to have allow these fighters to use techniques that have life-threatening effects doing nothing more than lead to exhausted from a severe loss of energy and stamina. We saw this with the Evil Containment Wave in the Goku Black Saga when Goku used it on Zamasu in the manga. He did not have enough energy to go Super Saiyan Blue but resorted to Super Saiyan God to fight the immortal Kai. Even Roshi used the wave several times in the tournament without dying!

Apparently, if a character is powerful enough then their ki is severely drained but not the entirety of their life force.

It reminded me of the videos games where Majin Vegeta uses the Final Explosion but survives with only one hit point and nearly zero ki left.

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Overall, Toppo was wasted in the Tournament of Power. Not only did he fail to eliminate even ONE opponent, but he had more success blowing up the arena than knocking off fighters.

Now, why did I mention that Toppo should have been the final opponent?

It all goes back to how Super began. This series started with the introduction of god-tier characters like Whis and Beerus. The challenge that Goku and Vegeta faced was gaining the power necessary to compete with these beings.

Super should have ended with Goku and Vegeta overcoming someone who is in the same league as a God of Destruction. If anything, I think it would be like a graduation or right of passage for them.

Toppo represented what Goku and Vegeta declined from Whis. They turned down the chance to be trained as the next God of Destruction of Universe 7. Vegeta asked Whis to take him on as a student, but Whis mentioned that he would only train the next God of Destruction.

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After the battle with Beerus in the Battle of Gods movie, Whis asked if Goku would like to take Beerus’ position after he died. The Saiyan turned down the offer, but he was more than willing to join Vegeta on Beerus’ planet to train.

Instead of sharing how to utilize the powers of a God of Destruction, it seems like Whis was more focused on teaching the Saiyans the following things:

  • Ki control
  • Sensing beings with divine energy
  • Recognizing their flaws
    • Goku is too relaxed leaving himself open to attack
    • Vegeta is too stressed which prevents him from reacting fast enough in combat
  • Learning how to work together
  • Letting their bodies act naturally in combat by fighting without thinking
    • Ultra Instinct; something even Beerus has yet to master

What made the training more effective was the Saiyans sparring with each other. Whis commented that those two training together was advancing their skills even faster than training with him.

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While they were training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber in preparation for the Universe 7 vs.  Universe 6 Tournament, Goku mentioned that sparring with Vegeta was allowing him to see his own weaknesses. Vegeta begrudgery agreed with that comment before going at it again with his rival.

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The one thing Whis was unable to teach his students was how to work together. These two did not mince words when expressing their desire to get stronger and fighting separately instead of as a unit.

Even Whis pointed this out when Jiren was being thrown off balance by Goku and Vegeta after the Saiyan Prince reached his new limit-breaker form. The Saiyans were fighting at the same time against Jiren, but they were not synchronized which proved effective against the silent alien.

Considering that Vegeta gave his all against Toppo, I do not think he and Goku will be fusing against Jiren. I believe #17 and Vegeta will be eliminated at some point before the finale. The last Universe 7 fighters will be Goku and Frieza.

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Nothing is confirmed, but I do not doubt that these two will be the last ones standing based on a Dragon Ball Heroes trailer last year. In the trailer, we saw Jiren standing against Golden Frieza and Goku. I think the finale will be Goku once again using Ultra Instinct to fight Jiren.

Not to mention, Frieza was nowhere to be seen after the Final Explosion. We know that Frieza was not eliminated because he was not teleported to the sidelines with the gods and other defeated fighters. I think he will be in hiding until the right moment to either land a decisive blow or have Jiren and Goku eliminate each other so he wins the Super Dragon Balls.

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Overall, Toppo should have been the final obstacle for Goku and Vegeta to overcome. Either by Fusion, tag-teaming or mastering their limit-breaker/Ultra Instinct powers, the Saiyans could topple the God of Destruction candidate to save their universe.

By extension, there would be nothing left for Whis to teach them. Perhaps at some point they could challenge Beerus again, but for now they could move on with their lives away from Beerus’ planet.

This could explain Goku’s blue gi at the end of Z. However, those are just my thoughts on the subject because Toppo seemed to be a much more interesting character than Jiren. Not just in his personality, but also in his characteristics and justice-themed attacks.

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Toppo throwing away his beliefs in favor of destruction is a contrast to Vegeta holding onto his pride and Goku holding onto to his battle hungry spirit. That is why these two could not become the God of Destruction of Universe 7 because doing so meant letting go of who they are.

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Could Kefla Defeat Jiren? | Dragon Ball Super

by Jeremy Carden

Obviously, this post will contain spoilers about the results of Dragon Ball Super Episode 116. Make sure you take that into consideration before going any further. 

Now, I am glad that this episode took its time in terms of having the characters describing the amount of power each fighter had. However, I think that Kefla was way too overpowered!

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For starters, Whis stated that Super Saiyan Kefla’s power rivaled that of the Universe 7 Spirit Bomb; which Roshi said would have defeated Jiren had it hit its target. This explains how Kefla was able to push Goku far enough for him to reactivate Ultra Instinct.

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After she went Super Saiyan 2 against Goku, Piccolo theorized that her power might have even surpassed Goku’s during his first bout with Jiren using Ultra Instinct!

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Before charging at Goku, Kefla boasts that she feels like her power could destroy an ENTIRE universe!

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It is hard to believe that only a couple of days ago, these female Saiyans did not even know what Super Saiyan was. Now, they have obtained one transformation after another, and Potara on top of that!

Fans have been in an uproar about the Universe 6 Saiyans obtaining all of these transformations with ease, but Universe 7 Saiyans had to go through years of training to obtain their power.

I do not fault Cabba at all because for the two levels of Super Saiyan he has gained, he had to actually work for them! His body was nearly broken and his emotions were pushed to the limits. Even though he is weaker than Kale and Caulifla, I think his characters speaks volumes above the girls.

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After becoming enraged over her attacks not hitting Goku, Kefla digs even deeper for more power. Cabba states her power is swelling even larger than before, and Roshi says Goku would lose if he got hit with even one of her attacks at this level.

In the video below, I go into far more detail about Kefla’s power. However, I think that she was written to be too much of a good thing. Yes, it was good to have female Super Saiyans introduced into the franchise, but it was all too much too soon.

It is crazy to think that if she went Super Saiyan 3, her power would have been multiplied by four. However, I think that four would have been the minimum increase because of her bottomless potential! For all we know, she might have obtained some sort of Super Saiyan 3 Berserker transformation! Which I think would have been the trigger to defusing Kefla before the battle could be won.

Remember that Super Saiyan Gotenks could only be utilized for five minutes before Goten and Trunks’ Fusion Dance would split. So, Gotenks had to think carefully before using this form.

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Based on the two pictures above, I actually thought that she was going to go Super Saiyan 3 based on her frustration and posture. That hunched positioning of the body is the typical stance for someone about to go Super Saiyan 3!

Considering all of the power that she was using, I was not going to be the least bit surprised had she defused before landing a finishing blow on Goku.

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I dare say that she may have been able to surpass even Jiren! That might come across as an unbelievable statement, but look at what the writers have done with her so far.

Overall, I have watched the episode around eight times alright. It literally felt like a Dragon Ball Z episode because the first 8-9 minutes consisted of nothing but Goku and Kelfa powering up while everyone is in awe of their strength!

I was a bit bored in the sense that watching two characters fighting, but one not being able to land a blow can get kind of old. Anyone reading this a Pokemon anime/video game fan?

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Don’t you feel that same level of annoyance whenever an opponent uses Double Team, Sand Attack or anything to increase their ability to dodge attacks? It gets so annoying because the battle drags on longer than it should because one Pokemon can’t land an attack at all, and their opponent just attacks whenever it wants to.

One of the worst examples of this was in the Black and White anime (arguably, the worst Pokemon series). It was during the finals of the Jr. Cup World Tournament between Trip’s Serperior and Ash’s Pignite.

During this tournament, Serperior was able to make quick work of every opponent that it was up against. To add insult to injury, this was the only Pokemon that Trip used in the entire tournament. Pignite did everything that it could, but none of its attacks landed.

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Serperior was just using its natural speed without the use of a move like Double Team and it was able to move around each attack like it was nothing. Heck, Pignite was spamming Flame Charge to increase its speed, but even that did not work! That resulted in probably one of the worst battles to watch because it was about five minutes of straight attacking and dodging until Serperior won…

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I did not feel as upset about watching Goku and Kefla but it was almost getting to that point. However, Goku made up for it with that EPIC Kamehameha to the face! It was so epic that we had to see it THREE times from different angles before Kefla was knocked out of the match.

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At least in this episode, we get a twist since Whis points out that even though Goku is handling Kefla with ease, he can’t utilize Ultra Instinct when he attacks because he is still “thinking” of the attack instead of naturally allowing himself to attack. That explains how Kefla as able to get up and dust herself off after each attack.

That is kind of ironic because Kefla’s attacks had the potential to defeat Goku if even one blast landed, but none of Goku’s moves that made contact could finish the job!

Maybe he will be able to master Ultra Instinct before his next match with Jiren.

Do you think Kefla was too overpowered? Do you think she could have defeated Jiren had she obtained Super Saiyan 3? Are you a bit surprised that she did not defuse after exhausting so much power as an enraged Super Saiyan 2? 

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Will Goku And Vegeta Fuse? | Dragon Ball Super

by Jeremy Carden

If Potara Fusion is allowed during the Tournament of Power, do you think that Universe 7’s full-blooded Saiyans merge once again?

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We saw Vegito emerge during the fight with Fused Zamasu, but that was only for seven minutes. If these two use the earrings to fuse again, I think they will be more cautious about how much energy they utilize at once.

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Remember that the Final Kamehameha at Super Saiyan Blue reduced their fusion time from 60 minutes to a mere seven! Since there are 22 minutes left in the tournament, I think that Vegito could better utilize his ki until the timer runs out.

In the video below, I go into more detail about how Vegeta seems to be more of an assist character in this tournament. Because of this reason, it would make sense for him and Goku to combine their forces especially against the likes of Jiren!

I think that Vegito (or Gogeta) would be a great asset to Universe 7. Considering they still have seven members left, they are doing the best so far in the tournament.

Ultra Instinct seems to be the key weapon for Beerus’ team at the moment, but fusion would not be a bad thing to have in their back pocket as well.

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Jiren was able to crush Goku, but I do not think he would be able to do the same to a Vegito that has a taste of Ultra Instinct himself!

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Do you think we will see Goku and Vegeta put their differences aside once again in order to save their universe? Vegeta was not a volunteer for Goku’s Universe 7 Spirit Bomb, and most fans would consider this to be a sign that he has not interest in fusing with his rival/friend.

What if Goku fuses with Gohan? Would that be a possibly fusion twist that you would not be against seeing in the show?

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Will Fusion Lead To Universe 6’s Downfall? | Dragon Ball Super

by Jeremy Carden

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Considering the two female Saiyans from Universe 6 will merge using the Potara Earrings, could this possibly have a negative impact for Champa’s team?

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Even the two Namekians for Universe 6 might fuse as well because Gohan and Piccolo are giving them a run for their money.

In the video below, I go into my full thoughts on the subject.

 

Do you think that Vegeta and Goku will merge as well in this Tournament of Power?

There is no telling if the Grand Priest and the Omni-Kings will allow the fusion because it is merging technique with tools for the gods, but if Zeno thinks it is cool then it might be allowed…

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Will the power go to the fused female’s head? I mean they were memorized by Super Saiyan 3, and they might reduce their fusion time.

The next couple of episodes should answer these questions and more! The biggest one being whether or not this new fusion will count as one or two fighters for Team Universe 6! Remember that Champa’s plan for victory has more to do with the number of fighters left by the end of the tournament, but he only has four more left.

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Dragon Ball Super: Will Cabba Have a New Super Saiyan Transformation?

By Jeremy Carden

It goes without saying that this Universal Survival Tournament is going to be insane! With 80 fighters in the same arena going at it in a battle royale, I think we are going to see a ton of new techniques and characters.

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We are going to be reintroduced to some of the Universe 6 fighters, and Vegeta’s protege from the Universe 6 vs. Universe 7 tournament is going to make his return to the ring.

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However, we see that Cabba did not have complete control over the Super Saiyan transformation. Yes, he was able to transform on Vegeta’s command before he got knocked out by a Super Saiyan Blue-powered punch, but Cabba still has a long way to go.

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Considering that the only time we saw him after the tournament was during the baseball game episode, I think we can assume that he has been undergoing some intense training back on his home world.

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The question is whether or not we will see Cabba reveal that he has either mastered his Super Saiyan power or unlocked a new transformation.

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He does not have a tail meaning that we will not see a Great Golden Ape or anything of that level of power. Perhaps he will go Super Saiyan 2 or 3 and considering that a new form (since Goku and Vegeta did not utilize those levels during the matches).

Honestly, I would not be opposed to the young Saiyan using a new form of Super Saiyan that we have not seen before. I think this would be something fresh in terms of the series’ progression.

I know we just had Super Saiyan Rose, but it would be interesting for a Saiyan from another universe to have a Universe 6 exclusive form if you want to call it that.

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Is it possible? I think it is not something that is completely impossible. Remember that the Universe 6 Saiyans evolved to the point that they no longer had tails. Yes, I know the standard Super Saiyan transformation was triggered by rage just like it is in Universe 6 (unless you are Goten and Trunks who transformed almost on instinct).

I go into more detail on my thoughts about Cabba in this video:

Overall, I am excited to see Cabba again. Regardless as to whether or not he gets a new form, I hope he is not easily knocked out of the tournament.

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Dragon Ball Super: How Strong is Majin Buu?

By Jeremy Carden

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After seeing Majin Buu back in the game after that awesome fight during the Omni-King’s exhibition matches, a lot of fans were excited that our favorite pink blob was still capable of pulling off a victory!

The problem is that a lot of fans have been scratching their heads about how powerful Buu really is.

Something we have to remember is that Fat Buu was the ‘original Buu’ that we saw in the series after he came out of his ball.

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Honestly we never see Fat Buu’s full power before splitting into his good and evil counterparts. Remember that many characters like Piccolo and the Supreme Kai mentioned that Buu’s power was growing and growing.

After being held in captivity for so long in that ball, Buu’s power was compressed. The longer he was out of the ball, the more his power grew. It only makes sense after being in that ball for 1,000s of years!

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Goku pointed out during his battle with Majin Buu that no matter how much ki he put out as a Super Saiyan 3, Buu’s was going as well to match the Saiyan.

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When he first hatched, Gohan mentioned that his trying to sense Buu’s ki was like reaching into a bottomless pit. Buu would only show a hint of his true power when he was being serious or mad about something. An example of this is when Buu effortlessly gauged out Dabura’s eyes and kicked him into a mountain. Then he went back to his playful demeanor.

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Eventually, Buu split into Good Buu and Evil Buu. It was clear that the Good Buu did not even get 50% of Fat Buu’s power considering how easily Evil Buu was making sport of him.

Overall, I estimate Good Buu to be around 40%-45% of what he was as Fat Buu.

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What Happened to JTunesMusic???

by Jeremy Carden

I wanted to make this short blog to let you all know that have followed me for the past few years that I have moved into vlogging. Overall, I have found it easier to create video blogs rather than spend the time that I do typing up the blogs that you have read in the past.

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For all of my Have and Have Not, Pokemon, Dragon Ball Z and other franchise fans who have followed me for this long, I think you from the bottom of my heart.

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It is called JCC Theories to See…the name is still a work in progress.

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The main reason that I am making this blog is to inform everyone that does not know already that I have moved to Youtube. It is not surprising that my views are not as huge as they were with my blogs. That is because a lot of my faithful followers were not aware that I changed media methods.

I apologize for not mentioning this sooner, but I wanted to get a good number of videos on my channel before I made the announcement.

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Dragon Ball Super: Will Captain Ginyu Return?

By Jeremy Carden

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I don’t know about you, but I am actually excited that we will see the Purple Power Ranger…I mean leader of the Ginyu Force make a return to the main series!

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Seriously, with all of the poses that the team did, you would not be considered a fool if you thought they were the Power Rangers.

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Dragon Ball Super has made a couple of slight changes so far to the Resurrection F movie, and one that has caught the attention of fans was the appearance of Ginyu Frog after Frieza was brought back to life.

There is even an upcoming episode title that mentions Ginyu and his trademark Body Change technique! This will be the 22nd episode titled “Tagoma is it play a more power-ups to change the Ginyu and body.

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Basically, it has all but been confirmed that Tagoma will somehow get swapped with Ginyu.

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In the anime filler, Bulma created a device which allowed Frog Ginyu to speak clear English. This led to her having her body switched with Ginyu because he communicated “Change!” outside of the native tongue of a Namekian Frog.

How will he change with Tagoma?

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My own personal theory is that he somehow changes bodies with the nameless frog solider (only referred to as Subordinate) in Frieza’s army who took orders from Sorbet in the anime/manga/movie because he is a humanoid frog.

It would not surprise me if he could speak a language understood only be frogs, and Ginyu changes with him before getting to Tagoma.

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In any case, we will see Ginyu again with is enough for me! I wonder how far his character will be utilized in the war with Frieza. I doubt he will make that much of a difference such as switching bodies with the likes of Goku or Beerus.

That would be interesting to see…

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You never know where the series is going to take things!

I did find it interesting that Tagoma expressed more doubts about Frieza’s usefulness to their army by his revival due to his less than impressive appearance.

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We got to see a brief flashback of Tagoma on one of Frieza’s many planets, and he saw the space tyrant speaking with Dodoria and Ginyu. He only saw Frieza for a brief moment, but was not impressed at all.

Considering that he was not killed by Frieza in the anime like he was in the manga/movie, I am glad to see his role given a bit more depth in the series.

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Ironic that he was unimpressed by the midget Frieza, and he will eventually be turned into a tiny frog!

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Apparently, he will train with Frieza during the 4 months before his arrival on earth. This will make Tagoma a very powerful warrior, and he will fight with Gohan before swapping bodies with Ginyu!

This could be the reason why Ginyu picked him to swap bodies with because Tagoma had become the most powerful warrior in Frieza’s army!

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I wonder if that was how Shisami got so powerful in the movie which made him able to fight toe-to-toe with Piccolo…

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Hopefully, we will get some background information on Frieza’s training through flashbacks or something!

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What kind of role do you think Ginyu will play during Dragon Ball Super? Will he swap bodies with one of the Saiyans or Gods?

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Dragon Ball Super: Will Vegeta Skip Super Saiyan God?

By Jeremy Carden

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The Saiyan Prince has once again vowed to surpass the Super Saiyan God Goku by following his own path to the level of god.

While some fans have dismissed Vegeta’s attempts to surpass Goku as nothing more than the hotheaded Saiyan once again biting off more than he can chew, I think there is more to it that than.

Yes, I am a HUGE Vegeta fan. Honestly, he is my favorite character in the entire Dragon Ball franchise. However, I am not writing this as a Vegeta fanboy without using some details and information from the series to back up my theory.

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Please keep in mind that I am simply a DB fan writing on the subject of Vegeta POSSIBLY obtaining “Super Saiyan Blue” without going Super Saiyan God.

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DB Wiki (a website that can be edited by fans meaning that any information from it can be taken with a grain of salt) has dubbed Vegeta’s transformation/power-up against Beerus as “Furious Mutation.”

It is described as follows:

Upon being overcome by an extreme rage, the user powers up into their strongest form, however their power skyrockets even further than usual, temporarily blanking out their eyes. In this state, both his skin and body turns with a slight pink tone and blue bolts surround him. Even when the user calms down after using the power-up, the power boost remains.

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Overall, Vegeta lost it after seeing Beerus slap Bulma which caused him to snap.

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This is similar to his assault against Super Perfect Cell after he killed Future Trunks right in front of his eyes.

The key difference here is that even after calming down after his hissy fit (blasting Cell with dozens of ki blasts); Vegeta’s power during his rampaging moment was not sustained.

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Vegeta’s moment of rage was very similar to Gohan’s outburst during the DB series. He would go into a fit of rage whenever he was pushed into a corner, or if someone close to him was hurt by a villain.

From being smacked around with ease to beating the hell out of his opponent, Gohan’s power soared to new heights. However, that power would disappear when he calmed down.

Unlike his past moments of rage, Vegeta had gained a grasp on his enraged power during the Battle of Gods arc.

After the battle with Beerus, Vegeta’s Super Saiyan 2 power had increased from the “Furious Mutation.” He still had access to the power in that state, and was working to increase it even further.

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During episode 16, Vegeta was training alone on a mountain or in the middle of a wasteland. He was seen standing in the rain, and then began powering up when the sun came out.

It was almost as if he was trying to tap into the power he had used against Beerus, and from there take it to the next level.

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Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta perhaps?

Maybe, but sadly I doubt that because of the serious drawbacks that Super Saiyan 3 has when compared to the god level transformations.

In any case, I will say that a Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta would NOT be someone to take lightly.

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Considering the fact that Furious Mutation Vegeta was mentioned to be more powerful than SS3 Goku was (prior to ascending to god level), SS3 Vegeta would a lot stronger than SS3 Goku!

Let’s say that after mastering the Furious Mutation (which made SS2 Vegeta more powerful than SS3 Goku), Vegeta finally goes SS3. That would increase his power Super Saiyan 2 power by 4 making him over 4 times more powerful than SS3 Goku was!

Again, this is just an interesting speculation in terms of Vegeta surpassing Goku.

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Getting back to the true subject of this blog, I think a couple of questions have been raised about Vegeta’s ascension to the level of god. These are the 2 questions to keep in mind:

  1. Can Vegeta skip Super Saiyan God in order to obtain Super Saiyan Blue?
  2. Will Vegeta skip Super Saiyan God in order to obtain Super Saiyan Blue?

It would not surprise me if Vegeta WILL skip SS God in order to get to SS Blue. However, I am not 100% sure if he CAN skip SS God in order to get to SS Blue.

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Saiyan beyond God is the middle form between Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue.

After a Saiyan that has obtained Super Saiyan God reverts back to base form after the god transformation’s time limit runs out, their body can absorb that godly realm of power. This results in the Saiyan’s base form being on a similar level of power as a SS God.

Then if the Saiyan can truly master the power of SS God in the Saiyan beyond God form, going Super Saiyan allows the user to add godly ki to the transformation.

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Meaning that Super Saiyan Blue is a regular Super Saiyan transformation, but it has the presence of godly ki. Keep in mind, the Saiyan is NOT 100% god or 100% Saiyan.

It is almost like a Saiyan-God hybrid of sorts, but it is a powerful transformation without the time limit of SS God.

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Whis told Vegeta that if he learned to control his ki, he could potentially be able to surpass Goku.

Personally, I did not truly understand what Whis meant by that. Was he saying that a Saiyan with ki control could surpass a Saiyan at the god level?

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t Goku and Gohan learn about ki control during the Cell Games arc?

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During their training in the Time Chamber, they learned to master the Super Saiyan transformation. This allowed them to control their ki output and maintain their base form personality traits even while transformed as Full Power Super Saiyans.

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Vegeta never trained under the same methods as Goku and Gohan. That was why he had trouble cracking an egg due to using too much force.

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This was very similar to Goku and Gohan trying to hold glass cups during their downtime before the battle with Cell.

Will Vegeta’s training with Whis be similar to Goku and Gohan’s training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber? Basically, they maintained the regular Super Saiyan transformation as long as they could until it felt normal (their new base form).

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I’m hoping that in the next episode, we get to see flashbacks of some of Vegeta’s training. He has been on Beerus’ planet for 6 months, and Whis thought it was the perfect time for Goku to travel there as well.

This could hint at Vegeta being near Goku’s power, but the way he achieved that power has yet to be revealed.

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We do see Vegeta and Goku doing basic chores to help maintain the upkeep of the area where Beerus sleeps.

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After watching those scenes, it reminded me of Goku and Krillin doing chores like delivering milk along with farm work while training under Master Roshi.

If I were to make a semi-educated guess on Vegeta bypassing SS God to obtain SS Blue, I would say that the Saiyans participating in the SS God ritual got a small taste of god power themselves.

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I mean they are transferring their ki into one Saiyan in order for the Saiyan to reach SS God.

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Who is to say some of that godly ki isn’t transferred through all of the participants in the ritual, but only one truly ascends to the SS God level?

That explanation is the only one that I can think of that would actually make some sense as to how Vegeta could skip the SS God transformation in order to get to SS Blue.

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If Vegeta does skip SS God, I think that would be cool because it shows that he wants to surpass Goku, but he will do it on his own. That would be an interesting change of pace from DBGT where he had to rely on Bulma’s Blutz Waves device in order to become SS4 in order to help close the gap between himself and Goku.

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Whis could be training him to master his own ki, and the “sample” of godly ki that was given to him through the SS God ritual for Goku. This is what could allow Vegeta to go SS Blue which is a blending of Super Saiyan and godly ki.

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What do you think? I would love to hear your thoughts in the comment section below.

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Dragon Ball Z: Majin Vegeta vs. Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan

By Jeremy Carden

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A Saiyan Prince returned to his roots vs. a Saiyan-Human hybrid that has finally let his anger fully rise to the surface.

Dragon Ball fans have discussed this battle for quite some time. It may not be one of the more well-known topics of discussion, but I have seen some heated arguments about the victor of this match.

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Keep in mind that Majin Vegeta will be facing the Super Saiyan 2 Gohan seen during the Cell Saga.

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Ultimate Gohan is a lot stronger than he was against Cell (at least in terms of power alone).

However, Gohan had not trained for 7 years. This means that even though his power was truly brought to the surface after Old Kai’s ritual; he did not instantly regain the fighting instinct that he had during his pre-teen years.

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Majin Vegeta is the persona of Vegeta that had buried ever since he opened his heart while living on earth. He was practically the bloodthirsty Saiyan that he was prior to his first meeting with Goku and the Z-Fighters.

That is why I would find this battle so interesting because Vegeta (now living by his Saiyan heritage alone) would be facing off with a Gohan that has let his Saiyan half take control of the wheel.

Basically, we would be seeing 2 Saiyans itching for a good fight!

Who would be the victor?

Let’s take a look at some key elements that could decide the winner of this Super Saiyan duel.

Power:

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In the anime AND manga when Goku powered up to Super Saiyan 2. Vegeta said that he (Goku) was “at least more powerful than your son (Gohan) was against Cell.”

Remember that even Goku was surprised when Majin Vegeta powered up, and stated that the fight might take longer than he had originally thought.

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Considering that Vegeta was literally even with Goku at SS2 (no SS3 here folks), both Saiyans had surpassed the Gohan seen during the Cell Games.

Even though Vegeta is more powerful, I do not think that he would be able to walk away from this battle without a scratch.

Motivation:

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Keep in mind that until the moment Goku sacrificed himself by taking the self-destructing Cell to King Kai’s Planet, Gohan was literally acting like a Saiyan since the moment that he turned SS2.

He was finally letting his timid and reserved temperament take a backseat, and his Saiyan instincts were running the show. Gohan would be looking for an opponent to test out his new power against.

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Majin Vegeta was basically Vegeta letting go of his “human emotions” that he developed while living on earth and the family he created with Bulma. He was basically acting and fighting like he was prior to coming to earth for the Dragon Balls.

This would be the Saiyan Prince from the past that would never allow another being to rival his power (which he claimed was (#1 in the universe). For a half-breed kid to try and fight him would be something that he would never accept. That is why Vegeta would be giving it his all to squash Gohan.

Skill:

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Gohan’s fighting skills were at their best during the Cell Games because he learned everything from his father (minus things like Kaio-Ken, Spirit Bomb and Instant Transmission, etc.). We saw that Goku’s skills were enough to keep Majin Vegeta on his toes, and I’m sure that Gohan would be able to do the same.

I think what would make this fight even more spectacular than the battle against Cell would be the fact that Gohan would be facing someone MORE powerful than he was.

Vegeta would be an opponent that Gohan could not just toss around like he was nothing, and he would have to use 100% power from the start.

Gohan would finally be letting his inner Saiyan out to the surface, and even though Vegeta had decades of practice with that kind of life; I think Gohan would be scarier because he has Saiyan blood plus human rage to further his spectacular power.

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You cannot dismiss the fact that Buu Saga Vegeta had been training for nearly 7 whole years, but not to the extreme level that he did for the Androids. He reduced some of his solo training in order to train Trunks from the present timeline.

Could his brutal skills match up with Gohan who is also brutal, BUT has the training of Goku under his belt? 

During his battle with Cell, Gohan was letting the battle drag on to make the Android suffer.

Vegeta likes to taunt his opponents into showing their true power or willingly let them increase their strength for a greater challenge (even if it leads to his ass being handed to him).

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Both were landing powerful blows to their opponents. Gohan was pulling off an impressive massacre against the Cell Jrs.

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Instead of quickly defeating Cell, Gohan was willing to make him suffer with crippling blows that dealt him great pain.

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Majin Vegeta was trying to kill Goku (who was already dead at the time) with brutal tactics. Seriously, they were fighting at full force, but you could tell that Vegeta was going for blood!

These two were MADE to battle each other!

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Overall, I think that Majin Vegeta would be the victor, but it would be one hell of a fight!

If you told me that Gohan came out as the victor, I wouldn’t be surprised. I’d just want to know how he pulled it off!

Gohan coming out the victor could be the result of Vegeta doing a Saiyan monologue allowing his opponent to get the upper hand.

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Not to mention, Vegeta could push Gohan into a corner and despite his power being at this peak; Gohan might be able to dig even deeper to tap into an even higher level of power!

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The Father-Son Kamehameha Wave could be considered a tag-team attack. Would that be fair in this 1-on-1 battle?

Goku was technically there “in spirit” so Gohan is allowed to use the attack in this fight because Goku wouldn’t be adding his ki to Gohan’s attack.

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Despite Majin Vegeta’s ultimate attack being the Final Explosion, I do not know if he could use it in this battle. The reason is because if he uses the attack; he dies along with his opponent (assuming it is enough to take them out).

I am not even 100% certain that Gohan would even put up that good of a battle to make Vegeta resort to a kamikaze attack…

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Overall, this battle is one that I would love to see in some form of media (outside of the video games in the player’s own what-if battles).

Who do you think would come out on top?

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