Could Gohan Ever Go Super Saiyan 3?

by Jeremy Carden

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If the youngest son of Goku can become a Super Saiyan 3 (after fusing with Trunks) then what is stopping Gohan?

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If there was ever a time when Gohan was best suited to go Super Saiyan 3 it would have been during the Cell Saga. For obvious reasons this was not possible because at that time the level did not exist, the series was supposed to end after Gohan won but fan support eventually lead to the Buu Saga and Gohan had reached his peak power.

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Having some control of the Super Saiyan 2 level in my mind would make it easier to become a Super Saiyan 3. Considering that Vegeta and Goku reached the level through training it makes sense that they could transform to Super Saiyan 2 at will easier than Gohan.

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The death of #16 before his very eyes along with his dad and friends getting beaten by the Cell Jrs. caused Gohan to snap and let his emotions free releasing the power hidden inside.

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He did not train for 7 years opting to study and go to school instead of working to gain better control over the form like he had with the regular Super Saiyan transformation becoming a Full Power Super Saiyan.

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Gohan never learned how to just go Super Saiyan 2 without the necessary trigger to make him mad. Remember on Yardrat, Goku worked to be able to go Super Saiyan at will rather than being enraged in order to do so. This was not the case with Gohan and his new found power.

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You could tell that it was a struggle for Gohan to go Super Saiyan 2 after the fight with Cell. When he showed the form to Kibito it was clear that it was a struggle for him to access his power.

There are a couple of reasons for that:

1. Due to lack of training and as a result not being able to use the form at will, it was the cause of Gohan straining to go Super Saiyan 2.

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2. Considering that he was in an arena full of people, Gohan was struggling to contain his power and keep it under control. Similar to Goku powering up against Cell, he had to really concentrate to keep his power contained when he powered up to his maximum.

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#2 seems like a reasonable excuse because Gohan’s power only affected the ring and not the entire arena. It was very cool seeing the tiles floating in the air as he transformed and they all fell back into place after his transformation was completed.

However, it is also plausible that due to not gaining full control of the form it took him a few seconds to push in order to transform.

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The only time that I see Gohan getting truly enraged to the point of his power reminding me of his pre-teen self against Cell was when he saw Spopvich crushing Videl’s head under his foot. He was so angry that he turned Super Saiyan and flew out of the backroom to the stage. When Yamu appeared to tell his partner to stop fooling around, Gohan calmed down.

Seriously, I don’t think Gohan got close to that kind of anger when fighting Dabura or attacking Buu’s egg.

Later on when he confronts Dabura and Babidi with Superme Kai in order to stop Buu’s egg from hatching, he remembers what Goku told him about how if he used the same power he did against Cell then there would be no one who could stop him.

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Gohan was hesitating because it had been so long since that battle and he had forgotten how to unlock that unstoppable power. After some inner monologue, he powered up to Super Saiyan 2 and went in charging to attack but halted when Babidi exclaimed that Buu’s egg had reached full power!

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When Gohan tried blowing the egg away with repeated Kamehameha Waves, I don’t think that was a moment where he could have ascended. I say that simply because he was attacking out of desperation rather than using a level head.

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Goku’s transformation into a Super Saiyan 3 on Earth was felt all the way on Supreme Kai’s Planet where Gohan was training with the Z-Sword. Later on when he returned to Otherworld, Goku arrived on the planet and while flying with his son and the two Kais to get some lunch he told Gohan that he’d show him how to go Super Saiyan 3. This was not shown on screen but it would have been interesting to see all the same.

According to Goku these are the 3 steps necessary to become a Super Saiyan 3:

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1. First turn Super Saiyan

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2. Then push to the level beyond that of a Super Saiyan which is an Ascended Saiyan or Super Saiyan 2

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3. The next power has to come from deep inside and you have to push hard to find it so you can break down the barrier necessary to fully transform

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4. Tap into that and you’ll reach Super Saiyan 3!

Super Saiyan 3 is more about Ki utilization than it is about raw emotion or training like the other 2 Super Saiyan forms. Which means that Gohan would have to look at something inside of himself aside from his rage in order to get to the hidden power inside.

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I think that Gohan did Step #3 when he unleashed ALL of his power to win the beam struggle with Cell’s Solar Kamehameha and completely destroyed the Android.

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Goku told him to release his full power to finally end the threat of Cell. My guess is that Gohan was in such a weakened state that he was not able to go Super Saiyan 3. During Goku’s flashback to the first time Gohan went Super Saiyan 2 he was only able to hold the form for a few seconds before passing out from exhaustion since the two had been training for like 20 hours straight!

Or as I pointed out before that the form did not exist yet…not just in the DB Universe but in the minds of the writers for the show.

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Gohan broke down the barriers that he placed on himself due to losing one arm after saving Vegeta from Cell’s attack. That caused him to believe that his Ki had dropped by 50% or more and why he was struggling with Cell’s Kamehameha Wave. However, despite breaking through those barriers he wasn’t able to access some hidden power because he had already released his hidden power by going Super Saiyan 2 in the first place!

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When he overpowered Cell, Gohan was just using the Ki that he thought had disappeared after his arm got blasted. To go Super Saiyan 3, it requires a Saiyan to look deep inside for a new power not a power that was already there. Goku kept telling Gohan that he already has the strength needed to defeat Super Perfect Cell and that it was just his own doubt that kept him from finishing the battle.

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Let’s say Gohan’s full power was not enough and even if he gave the Father-Son Kamehameha his 100% from the start, Cell’s Solar Kamehameha still had more strength. If Gohan looked deep for more power then I could see him going Super Sayian 3.

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That is because he would be looking inside himself for a power to break down the barriers of even his maximum hidden power (Super Saiyan 2). I mean Goku went to a 4x Kaio-Ken to overpower Vegeta’s Galick Gun so I can believe Gohan going Super Saiyan 3 to overpower Cell’s blast.

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Could you image it: Gohan’s power instantly increasing by 4 as a Super Saiyan 3? That would be insane his blast was already huge but to have it grow in size/power by 4?! Whoa and Cell said his attack could destroy the entire solar system, I couldn’t imagine the destructive force of a Super Saiyan 3 Father-Son Kamehameha!

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*In the Dragonball Heroes game (only in Japan), Future Gohan is able to go Super Saiyan 3.*

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There is an interesting theory about how Gohan’s Ultimate or Mystic powers are actually a representation of him as a Super Saiyan 3. The only difference is that none of the major physical changes are present in his appearance. By that I’m referring to a lack of eyebrows and the extremely long hair. Not to mention he does not have that huge drawback of his Ki being depleted rather quickly in his Mystic form.

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If Gohan went Super Saiyan 3 would it be weaker or stronger than his Mystic powers?

Honestly, I’d have to say that Gohan would be weaker as a Super Saiyan 3 compared to his hidden powers being fully unlocked by Old Kai. The reason I am saying that is because Super Saiyan 3 is 4x the power of a Super Saiyan 2.

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Goku and Vegeta at Super Saiyan 2 were more powerful than Gohan was as a Super Saiyan 2. Vegeta says that Goku was more powerful than Gohan was against Cell. Earlier when Gohan goes Super Saiyan 2 for Kibito, Vegeta comments that he was a lot stronger 7 years ago when he fought against Cell. With that in mind, if Gohan did go Super Saiyan 3 he would be weaker than Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

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Ultimate Gohan is more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks and Super Buu who are both more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

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It just seems that his Mystic powers transcend anything that he could ever achieve in his Super Saiyan forms.

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This diagram (click to make larger) basically spells out how Mystic Gohan is ALL of his power being utilized without the need of transforming. Add in Super Saiyan 3 on the chart on the left and it would just be another circle added while the Mystic/Ultimate one would still be the same.

If Gohan went Super Saiyan 3 I think it would come before his Mystic form. By that I mean that I don’t think while in Mystic form Gohan would just ascend to Super Saiyan 3. I think it is something that he’d do in his Super Saiyan 2 form.

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We’ve all seen Super Saiyan 3 Broly in the Raging Blast games. Some clarify that he is a Legendary Super Saiyan 3 based on his lack of pupils, hair color and massive size being traits similar to his Legendary Super Saiyan form. If Broly were a “normal” Super Saiyan 3, then he’d probably look a little something like the picture above.

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Compared to the form we see in the games, I’d say this would be a Legendary Super Saiyan 3.

In terms of Gohan going Super Saiyan 3 it would be a normal Super Saiyan 3 unless he goes Mystic Super Saiyan 3 or something but that idea just sounds ridiculous to me.

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In the movies Wrath of the Dragon and Battle of Gods, we see Gohan “power up” to his Mystic form. That is what I think would happen even if he did go Super Saiyan 3, he’d just “skip” over it like Gotenks did Super Saiyan 2 in order to go Super Saiyan 3. For Gotenks, he went Super Saiyan 3 because it was more powerful than Super Saiyan 2.

In my mind, even if Gohan were able to become a Super Saiyan 3 he would probably choose to use his Mystic powers instead. I’d say that because it is more powerful not to mention less of a strain on his Ki supply. That would be the more advantageous strategy for someone who claims to be smarter than Piccolo and tougher than Gotenks.

Can Gohan transform into a Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 2 while in his Mystic form?

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I’m going to be honest and say that I do not know why Gohan cannot transform into a Super Saiyan 1 or 2 in his Mystic form. My guess is that Old Kai pretty much brought ALL of Gohan’s powers to the surface. By going Super Saiyan, it increases his power 50x or 100x his base form depending on if he goes Super Saiyan 1 or 2. So with all of his hidden powers unleashed going Super Saiyan wouldn’t be useless it would just be unnecessary.

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Old Kai told Gohan to unleash his powers by “Doing that Super Saiyan-thing you always do…” meaning looking for the power deep inside him and bring it out to the surface. This sounds oddly familiar to what Goku told Goten and Trunks to do in order to break down the barrier between Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3!

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Considering he was able to go Super Saiyan in Battle of Gods in order to help Goku reach Super Saiyan God, we can rule out the theory that he could NEVER go Super Saiyan again.

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And despite showing the ability to go Super Saiyan 2 in GT but never using his Mystic power, we can rule out DBGT as being a time where Gohan could have went Super Saiyan 3.

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I also don’t think that he could have gone Super Saiyan 3 against Broly mainly due to his serious lack of training (despite the training he was currently doing with Goten before the World Tournament) and as I mentioned countless times before the fact that he didn’t have a good handle over Super Saiyan 2.

So there you have it! I think his best chances of going Super Saiyan 3 was back in the Cell Saga mainly due to his polished training thanks to Goku and unleashing his full power but going Super Saiyan 2. Moving on to after his power up from Old Kai, I do think that he had the potential to go Super Saiyan 3 BUT it was unnecessary.

Do you think Gohan can could go Super Saiyan 3?

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Dragonball Z: How Strong Is Dabura?

by Jeremy Carden

I’ll say this to start things off; I don’t think we EVER got to see the extent of the Demon King’s power.

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When he first appears and combats the Z-Fighters on the cliff, he kills Kibito with one Ki blast to the face, turns Piccolo and Krillin to stone, dodges Goku’s attempt to attack him and blocks all of Vegeta’s punches.

Later on, Vegeta mentions that he doesn’t see him as the threat that Supreme Kai is making him out to be. He says that if he could just avoid his Stone Spit then he knew that he could beat him.

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Goku takes it a step further and says that he is in the same power range as Perfect Cell; note he was not referring to Super Perfect Cell just his Perfect form which was below Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. He tells Shin, that if it had been 7 years ago that Dabura might make them nervous.

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After Yakon’s defeat, he reassures Babidi that even if Goku and the other’s kili reading was 4,000 it would not be enough to destroy him. Full Power Super Saiyan Goku’s kili measurement was 3,000 meaning that he would be more powerful than Goku as a FPSSJ.

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Now keep in mind that Super Saiyan 2 is twice that of a Super Saiyan meaning that his kili reading as a Super Saiyan 2 would theoretically be around 6,000.

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*Majin Vegeta is practically Vegeta as a Super Saiyan 2 just “brainwashed” by Babidi and he was EQUAL to Super Saiyan 2 Goku meaning that his kili reading would most likely be 6,000 as well*

So, Goku was assessing Dabura’s power level to Cell just from their scuffle outside of the ship.

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Before fighting Gohan, he went into the meditation room and as Babidi puts it the room helps him focus his already incredible fighting power; potentially meaning that Dabura is even MORE powerful when he fights Gohan meaning that he might be above Goku’s initial prediction of his power.

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When he fights Gohan, he quickly overwhelms his base form but after powering up as a Super Saiyan 2, he starts to be on the receiving end of the attacks.

It was only until Gohan taunts him into using his full force does Dabura pick up the pacing. Before he powers up, he tells Gohan that he was give him “a taste” of his full power.

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After powering up, he fights on par with Gohan but as the match goes on he is the one taking over the fight. Gohan’s lack of training and as Vegeta put it, he’s also lost his fighting sense and Goku agrees because he was making simple mistakes during the fight. Dabura says that he feels Gohan’s Ki dropping and it is made apparent with him using up more energy running around trying to keep up with Dabura than actually fighting.

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You could really tell he was struggling especially after he caught and broke Dabura’s sword, it took a lot out of him. I know your probably thinking that since Gohan won that struggle that he is more powerful than Dabura. BUT you have to look at two details;

  1. Gohan powered up with an aura BEFORE he caught Dabura’s sword meaning that he was had to exert a lot of Ki in order to overpower Dabura who didn’t emit an aura he was just trying to cut Gohan with his sword. We saw what appeared to be a golden smoke or fumes coming from their scuffle but then it disappears once Gohan’s Super Saiyan 2 aura starts fiercely admitting from him even more than it was before and snapping the sword in two.
  2. The sword ended up snapping because after a lot of struggling, Gohan was able to break it meaning that he overpowered the sword NOT Dabura. There was so much pressure on the sword that it had nothing else to do but break kind of like the pressure put on a pimple and it bursts with enough force

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Dabura then quits the match in favor of Vegeta being the one to finish the job of gathering the energy for Buu’s ball. So, if I were to make a prediction; if the match went on until either he or Super Saiyan 2 Gohan won, I’d cast my vote on Dabura winning.

There was so much going for him that made him overwhelm the Super Saiyan 2. With most of his advantage over Gohan being his element of surprise giving him an upper hand along with Gohan’s skills being rusty.

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  1. Gohan’s lack of training and no longer having that fighting sense or prowess that he had against Cell made him vulnerable to make simple mistakes like fighting head on against Dabura and being caught off guard on more than one occasion
  2. Dabura’s Afterimage and his natural speed
  3. His Flame Breath attack
  4. His magical abilities; his sword had Gohan on the run because he didn’t see it coming and he was close to cutting him on more than one swing of that blade
  5. He was still holding back, I’d wager if he emitted his 100% power when Gohan told him to instead of just using a little he would have ended the battle a lot faster
  6. Gohan’s Ki was decreasing; most likely to him taking on a lot of damage from Dabura and as a Super Saiyan 2 because he didn’t master the form like he did his Super Saiyan form meaning the 100x power increase was draining him fast. Remember against Cell he was basically “in control” of his energy output, against Dabura he was basically playing “cat and mouse” trying to find an opening but getting beat every time

Now we don’t get to see him in action again until after Buu takes him out with an eye gouge and a kick that sends him hurtling into a cliff with Babidi (with glee) commenting that he probably killed him (wow talk about a severance package…).

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He then reemerges to fight Buu with a spear that does nothing due to his regeneration power. I have to admit that Dabura put up a pretty good fight despite being heavily wounded. Goten and Trunks were watching commenting on how scary his Ki was when he was powering up to use the Full Power Energy Blast Volley on Buu (Which did no damage to Buu at all, he came out of the smoke with a smile…). In the end, he is turned into a cookie and eaten.

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The only other time we see him is in a flashback when Yemma tells Goku about his trip to the Check-In station, he fights off some of Yemma’s workers but is flattened by his “stamp of approval” sending him to Heaven due to him being from the Demon World meaning that he’d enjoy Hell.

So, we really don’t see Dabura’s 100%; he held back against Gohan and when he was fighting Majin Buu, he was heavily damaged. I think it is safe to say that he would not be able to stand up to Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Vegeta but could take down Super Saiyan 2 Gohan.

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Now, do I think he could defeat Cell Saga Super Saiyan 2 Gohan; I’d say no.

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Remember Gohan was weaker than his Cell Saga persona but I don’t think by THAT much. There were 3 things that his “teen-self” had that his “adult-self” didn’t; more power, control and fighting sense. All 3 of them because rusty from not training for 7 years and he suffered from it.

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Majin Vegeta (who is equal to SS2 Goku) tells Goku that he is pleased that he is more powerful than Gohan was when he killed Cell meaning that Dabura (who I figured is not able to defeat Cell Saga SS2 Gohan) would lose to those 2 pure blooded Saiyan as SS2s.

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He is without a doubt a very powerful fighter but I think he’d lose to Cell due to the Android having the advantage of regeneration on his side. The Demon King is pretty much done for if he suffers a fatal blow.

What do you think?

Dragonball Z Theories: Why Did Majin Vegeta Turn To Stone After Using the Final Explosion?

by Jeremy Carden

A few years ago, a friend told me a theory that blew my mind and even to this day I’m not sure whether or not I agree with him because it is a very solid argument but there is reason to doubt.

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The theory is; while Majin Vegeta was using the Final Explosion to completely destroy Majin Buu, somehow Buu spat on Vegeta turning him into stone.

But how could Majin Buu do that?

Well the answer is one word; mimicry.

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When Shin was fighting Buu, he launched a Ki blast from his eyes that did nothing but Buu did the same attack and it sent the little guy flying.

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Remember when Buu was fighting Super Saiyan 3 Goku? The Saiyan fired a Super Kamehameha Wave that blew a hole through Buu’s stomach.

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Right after regenerating, he charged up his own Super Kamehameha and fired it at Goku and he deflected it into the horizon where it exploded (as Babidi put it that blast destroyed 1/16 of the planet).

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Going back, to when Dabura was trying to beat Buu in order to not get eaten, the Demon King used the Stone Spit technique but Buu kept dodging.

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A poor lizard wasn’t as fortunate (but was restored when Buu ate Dabura, yea lizard!!).

It stands to reason that he would somehow be able to mimic the move after seeing it once; I mean he did with the Eye Ki Blast and Super Kamehameha Wave.

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The biggest piece of evidence my friend pointed out; the expression on Vegeta’s face when they do a close-up on him. It looked like he was shocked or surprised. It kind of looks like he had a look of failure on his face or something like that.

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Krillin and Piccolo’s stone statues had that same look, the horror of seeing their bodies turned to stone by they could do nothing about it until they had completely transformed.

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While using the attack, Vegeta was screaming as he was channeling all of his energy into the blast to destroy the pink menace.

Here is the reasonable doubt; it was also shown that Buu had been ripped into pieces and seemingly destroyed before Vegeta was.

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I don’t know how certain I can be that off-screen before he was shown to be ripped apart, Buu could have spat on Vegeta but we just didn’t see it. Also even if Buu had done it, there is no guarantee that Vegeta would have noticed; he was screaming his lungs out as his body was expelling all of its Ki. Not to mention his eyes were closed during the explosion and he could have opened them while he was feeling his body not blowing up by using the Final Explosion but hardening from the Stone Spit explaining why he had that look on his face after he was turned to stone.

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I mean when you think about it, the Final Flash (as Piccolo mentioned) could have killed Cell if he had not stepped out of the way at the last second, just getting part of his upper torso blown off before regenerating.

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Vegeta used the Final Explosion, and possibly before being ripped/blown to pieces, Buu spit on Vegeta disrupting the attack before it could do its job and then Buu regenerates.

A lot of similarities there…

There seems to be solid evidence on both sides of the argument as to whether or not it was the Final Explosion that turned Vegeta into stone or Buu using the Stone Spit on him.

The attack is only used once in Z of course due to it killing the user so the end result of the attack has only this one example to be used in this debate.

It is true that Super Saiyan 4 Goku attempted this attack TWICE in DBGT;

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First he uses it on Super Android 17 with the attack being big enough to be sensed by the Z-Fighters far from the battlefield promoting Vegeta to scold Goku for using the attack.

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Thankfully, 17 put up a shield at the last second protecting himself and Goku as well only exhausting his Ki making him revert back to kid form.

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Then he attempted to use it against Omega Shenron only for Vegeta to show up to stop his fellow Saiyan from making the same mistake that he did against Majin Buu.

Wow for some reason Goku seemed a bit suicidal in GT…

But since Goku failed to successfully use the attack in both situations we do not see if he would have turned to stone as well after using the attack.

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Whenever I think of explosion or self-destruct used in the DB series, I am reminded of the times characters used Self-Destruct techniques and barely anything reminded of their bodies like “Farewell Mr. Tien” or the Saibamen Bomb.

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Final Explosion just doesn’t seem like an attack that leaves behind a stone corpse after the attack is completed at least that is what I believe.

In any case, this theory is interesting and it still rattles my brain even to this day.

What do you think?