Dragon Ball Super: Will Goku and Vegeta Fuse?

By Jeremy Carden

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After watching Revival of F, I have a very strong hunch that Dragon Ball fans will once again see a Goku/Vegeta fusion!

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If you ask me, I think that Whis’ main goal in training the Saiyan duo is not only to help them perfect their fighting abilities as individuals, but to also make them understand that they need to learn how to work together.

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Whis pointed out that Vegeta is too tense and Goku is too carefree. The two are practically opposing opposites when it comes to fighting. Vegeta is the more brilliant fighter, but Goku is better when it comes to off the wall combat (a good fighter that does not go by the books, he is better at overcoming obstacles by thinking outside of the box).

I mean if you look at the times when the two actually worked together to defeat the odds, you have to admit that they make a very potent combo!

For a moment, forget about what is canon and what is non-canon. Think back to some epic moments within the Dragon Ball franchise when these Saiyans actually teamed up.

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The Return of Cooler was a movie where neither Saiyan could take Cooler on in his new form.

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When they put aside their differences, the team destroyed 1 Meta-Cooler robot (before 1,000 showed up). In the end, they overpowered the Big Gete Star achieving victory!

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In the anime-only battle with Buuhan, each Saiyan was getting wrecked by the “mightiest Majin.”

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Goku convinced Vegeta to use the Potara Earrings in order to save the universe, and Vegito was beating around Buu with ease!

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How about when Super Janemba was able to defeat Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta?

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They ended up creating Gogeta in order to send that demon back into oblivion!

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Finally, the threat of Omega Shenron proved too great for even a couple of Super Saiyan 4s to stop!

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Once again, fusion created Gogeta to stop another threat to the universe (though this time around; Gogeta did not get the job done…).

My point is that Goku and Vegeta are extremely powerful as individuals, but working together has proven that the two can overcome almost any obstacle in their way.

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I think Goku said it best when he was describing the Fusion Dance back during the Buu Saga. He said that a being created from the fusion would be capable of accomplishing feats that neither individual could do alone.

Don’t you think that Vegito and Gogeta fit that description perfectly? I mean whenever the Saiyans fused, it was because they realized that they did not stand a chance of winning against their opponent at the time as individuals. They had no other option but to fuse in order to defeat the odds with overwhelming power!

Now the question remains as to whether or not Goku and Vegeta will actually fuse in the Dragon Ball Super series.

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Originally, I thought that if there was a movie to follow Revival of F; the two would fuse again. You have to admit that the movie itself seemed like a setup in order for the Saiyans to realize that they need to work together in order to achieve the best results.

I mean they fought against each other instead of fighting together against Frieza, and the entire world was destroyed (until Whis reversed time) due to their unwillingness to work as a team!

At the end of the film, Goku mentioned that their battle with Frieza was proof that Whis was correct when he said that they should work together more. However, Vegeta scoffed at the remark about them working together. With laughter, Goku agreed that it would never happen.

Is that right?

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Considering that Champa, Universe 6 and the Super Dragon Balls will appear in the DB Super anime/manga; I think the two WILL fuse again!

Why?

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With 11 other universes out there that contain beings more powerful than Beerus AND Whis, the Saiyans will eventually come across opponent(s) too powerful for them to defeat alone.

Fusion would be their only option, and it will be their trump card in order to win against their foes.

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As I mentioned in another blog about Gogeta appearing within the DB Super series, I think that the two fusing would be their completion of their training under Whis.

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I feel this way because as I mentioned above, Whis is teaching the two how to overcome their individual weaknesses, and to also work together as a team.

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Considering that Lord Beerus could be defeated if the two worked together (Whis mentioned this), I think Goku and Vegeta teaming up would be a threat to even gods more powerful than Beerus from some of the other universes!

Whis seeing the two truly working together would be the icing on the cake (because we know how Whis and Beerus love to eat) to their training.

Fans are split as to which fusion would actually appear within the DB Super series. Some say that Gogeta will finally make an appearance, and others are strongly behind Vegito reappearing.

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The thing that gets me is when fans say that Gogeta CAN’T appear because he is NOT considered canon. Personally, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. True, his appearance in GT and Fusion Reborn were considered my most to be non-canon. However, the Fusion Dance itself IS canon because the technique appearance in the anime and manga.

Goku knows about the dance, and he would show it to Vegeta if necessary for them to actually fuse against an opponent. Of course, I am sure that he would object to it because of the prissy movements needed to execute the technique. He did perform an embarrassing bingo dance to save the planet from destruction. What harm could performing one little ballet dance (Fusion Dance) do?

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Think about how upset he was when he had to hold hands with Goku in order to teleport to earth using Instant Transmission! Although, I thought he could have just placed his hand on Goku’s shoulder or something, but I guess the writers wanted to make that scene as awkward as they possibly could.

In my opinion, I believe that Gogeta will be the one who appears in the DB Super series if the Saiyans ever fused.

Why?

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Do you really believe that Vegeta or Goku would want to do a permanent fusion (again)?

The only reason Vegito split was because of Buu’s digestive system breaking the Potara Fusion apart.

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In Battle of Gods, Revival of F and DB Super Episode 5, whenever fusion was mentioned it was a reference to Vegito NOT Gogeta. This is because Vegito was the only fusion between the two to appear in both the anime and manga.

Unless we see Vegito from one of the other 11 universes, I do not think that he will appear again. Perhaps there is another universe where they used the Potara Fusion, but for whatever reason they did not split apart.

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This is what happened in the DB Multiverse series because there was a universe where Vegito did not remove the barrier protecting him within Buu’s body. After escaping with the absorbed Z-Fighters, Vegito killed Kid Buu (and the fusion stayed intact).

I know that DB Super is changing some of the events of Battle of Gods/Revival of F, but it is still unknown whether or not the ending of DBZ anime/manga will be kept the same. I am not just referring to Uub appearing and then leaving to train with Goku.

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I am talking about Goku and Vegeta not being fused into Vegito because we see them as two individual Saiyans.

That is why I feel that if they do fuse, Goku and Vegeta would use the Fusion Dance to become Gogeta.

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Who is to say that the Kais couldn’t make special Potara Earrings that would allow a temporary fusion?

However, that would be like opening a can of worms in order to make Vegito show up again.

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Another possibly is that Whis (or another being) knows of a fusion technique that we have never seen before! There really is no clear understanding on where the story of DB Super is going because it has just started. I am really excited because of the revival of the DB franchise as a whole, and anything can happen!

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I could care less about which fusion appears because I love both Gogeta and Vegito. The one thing that I want to see more than anything is an opponent that makes a Goku/Vegeta fusion actually HAVE to use their full power!

Remember that Super Gogeta, Super Vegito and Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta dominated their opponents with ease. We never got to see the full extent of their power, and that is something that a lot of fans would want to see at some point.

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Can you imagine the power and techniques utilized by a full power Gogeta or Vegito? It makes me excited because any awesome techniques from the series are almost always put into DBZ video games. Not to mention the possibility of a new Super Saiyan level!

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Which fusion do you think will appear in the future; Gogeta, Vegito or someone entirely new?

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Dragon Ball Super: When Will The Series Take Place?

By Jeremy Carden

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With all of the leaked information about the new series, fans are very confused about when the series will take place. Originally, it was believed that Dragon Ball Super would take place after the events of Revival of Frieza.

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However, with recent pictures and chapters from the DB Super manga, it appears that this is not the case. Fans are even speculating that DB Super will erase Battle of Gods and Revival of Frieza off of the map due to an inconsistency involving Beerus and his premonition of a Super Saiyan God!

Again, this is all speculation, and this blog is going to cover my own personal thoughts as to when this series will take place. Not only that, I will mention my own opinions on where the series will go. We do know that it is going to be at least 100 episodes, and possibly more depending on how well it is received by fans.

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Overall, I feel that this series will recap the events that occurred between the defeat of Kid Buu and the movie Battle of Gods. From there, it will cover the events between Battle of Gods and Revival of Frieza.

Afterwards, it will cover the events between Revival of Frieza and Goku leaving the 28th World Tournament with Uub.

What I would love to see is the series going even beyond that like GT did!

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Something that could really throw things into perspective is the special released in Japan called “Yo! Son Goku and his friends return!” This is the anime special that introduced us to Vegeta’s brother named Tarble.

Here is what the time frame between Kid Buu’s death and Uub leaving with Goku looks like based on the original dates given in the Japanese version:

  • The short film about Tarble took place 2 years after the defeat of Kid Buu
  • Battle of Gods took place 2 years after “Yo! Son Goku”
  • Revival of Frieza occurred 1 year after Battle of Gods

This means that there are still 5 years for the writers to play around with before the anime episode called “Granddaughter Pan.” In this episode, we see the series fast forward 10 years from the death of Kid Buu.

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In the end, the biggest question raised by fans is whether or not the ending of DB Super will stay true to the original ending of DBZ. Goku leaving with Uub occurs 10 years after the defeat of Kid Buu.

Let’s say that DB Super, Revival of F and Battle of Gods fit into the continuity of events that leads up to Goku vs. Uub. Re-watching that fight, it is amazing to believe that young Uub is holding his own with Goku (who by that time had achieved Super Saiyan God, Saiyan beyond God, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan and possibly even more power!)!

However, keep in mind that Goku was clearly holding back in that fight in order to test Uub’s abilities.

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Not to mention that similar to Tien’s Neo-Tri Beam against Semi-Perfect Cell, he was putting up an impressive feat by holding back Cell, but that was all he was doing. He wasn’t damaging Cell, but he was holding him off from absorbing #18.

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I think the same can be said about Uub during his fight with Goku because the Majin-turned-human was putting up a good fight, but it was clear that the only damage he inflicted on Goku was on his clothes!

Well, at the beginning of the fight he did make Goku’s arm tingle with a fierce kick. However, Goku underestimated Uub’s power, and remember Whis told him that letting his guard down makes even a body as powerful as his susceptible to damage from weaker opponents.

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Sorbet’s Ring Laser proved that point to be true when he pierced Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku’s heart!

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I actually think that Goku leaving with Uub would be even more touching since Whis (the Supreme Being) in Universe 7 ended up training a low-class Saiyan to become one of the best in the universe. This is like Goku sharing his skills with a young Indian boy from a poor village. The most unlikely people ended up learning from the best in the universe!

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However, I would still like DB Super to possibly continue even after Goku leaves with Uub so we can see what happens next!

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When you think about it, 5 years in DB time is not really that much. Keep in mind that the 3 years of training for the battle with the Androids was shown in a couple of episodes, but “skipped” in a single episode! Compare that to the “5 minutes” for Namek to explode, and that was stretched out for around a dozen episodes…

DB Super is going to be doing some obvious time jumps, but I think it will be worth it. I am one of those fans that love to see things being covered and explained instead of skipped over.

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Ever since I saw the picture of Gohan and Videl on their wedding day in Granddaughter Pan, I wanted to see those two being hitched! In the first episode of the new series, we learn that Goten is going to be looking for a gift because his brother’s wedding is happening soon.

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Based on Goku’s outfit while he is farming, I have a suspicion that Tarble will appear, and then we will jump to the events post-Battle of Gods. In the leaked manga chapter, we see Goku farming, Mr. Satan arriving with 100 million zeni for him, and Goku telling Goten that he wishes he could train with King Kai.

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In the Tarble special, Goku asks Chi-Chi why they have to farm despite the fact that Mr. Satan had given them a ton of money. His wife explains that despite the money, they should still work to earn their own form of financial stability. I find that interesting because it was Goku who fought to save the universe from Buu (along with help from his friends of course), and Mr. Satan was returning the favor because he thought Goku deserved something out of it!

Also in the special, Mr. Satan invites all of the Z-Fighters to his new hotel opening in honor of him defeating Buu. Here is where we reach a form of contradiction from the main series.

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Remember that 4 months after the defeat of Kid Buu, Goku had Shenron erase the memories of Majin Buu from the minds of earthlings so Good Buu (Fat Buu or Mr. Buu) could live a peaceful life on earth.

The only way I could see the world still worshiping Mr. Satan would be for them to praise and award him during the 4 months between Kid Buu’s death and their minds being erased. They must have had plans for the hotel along with the other awards for him, but after the mind wipe it seems clear that they gave it to him anyway (despite not knowing what threat they were saved from).

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Another thing to mention is the fact that Tarble was mentioned in Battle of Gods by Bulma. They were looking for a fifth Saiyan to help in the Super Saiyan God ritual, but they could not find one. Vegeta mentioned that his brother is in another star system, but he did not know which one.

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This most likely means we will indeed see everyone meeting Tarble in the first part of DB Super.

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Not to mention we see Goku training on King Kai’s Planet in the new trailer, and this was also seen at the beginning of Battle of Gods. My guess is Chi-Chi loosened the chain on Goku since Mr. Satan gave them all of that money, and he was allowed to do some training.

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Now let’s talk about Beerus’ premonition about the Super Saiyan God possibly erasing Battle of Gods and Revival of Frieza out of the picture. Above is a photo from Chapter 1 of the DB Super manga, and it has driven fans insane!

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Beerus is on some alien planet, and he is having a feast. After revealing that he knew the inhabitants had poisoned his food (with no effect on him at all), he blew up their planet. He then talks to Whis about his dream about an opponent that would entertain him known as a Super Saiyan God.

Apparently, Beerus had just awoken from his 39 year slumber and was still a bit tired. Whis then suggests they go to their home world so he can remember his dream better.

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I thought that the Oracle Fish would be the key to the timeline. Why? Remember according to Beerus, it was the fish that told him that a Super Saiyan God would appear to give him a good fight and rival his power. He said that he would appear in 39 years, and that was why Beerus woke up “early” from his slumber because of the premonition from the Oracle Fish.

Again, it depends on the translation from the dub and manga because the Oracle Fish’s prophecy differs. One says that the fish foretold of the Super Saiyan God, but the other says that his prophecy was only that an unnamed opponent that would eventually become a rival to Beerus would appear. Then it was during a dream Beerus had while sleeping for 39 years that revealed the identity of his rival; a Super Saiyan God.

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Originally, I thought this scene from the manga would be Beerus thinking about the prophecy the fish told him, he would sleep 39 years after Whis takes him home, and then he would reawaken during Battle of Gods.

However, seeing Old Kai and Kibito Kai in the last panel shot that theory apart…

Overall, it is inconsistent that Beerus apparently woke up earlier in DB Super than he did in Battle of Gods. I do not think that this one little thing will erase that movie and Revival of F from the continuity. It could be that Akira is simply changing things up a bit for something just a little different.

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I do find it interesting that in the beginning of Battle of Gods, when the Kais sense Beerus’ awakening, there is a wide shot of a distant galaxy, and what appears to be the remains of a destroyed planet.

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After that, we see that Old and Supreme Kai were watching the events unfold. Could those floating rocks in space be the remains of the alien world that Beerus destroyed in the DB Super manga, or were they simply just asteroids floating in space?

Just something interesting to think about…

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Finally, I will simply talk about what I think will happen in the series. It has been revealed that a new character named Champa and a female-looking version of Whis will appear on Beerus’ planet.

Apparently he is also a God of Destruction, and he could be from one of the 11 other universes in the DB world.

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When he appears in DB Super has not yet been revealed, but my guess is either before Battle of Gods or after Revival of Frieza.

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I think it would be interesting for the series to allow us to see some of the 11 other universes. Considering Goku and Vegeta’s power is growing at an impressive rate, it seems clear that they may soon surpass Beerus with their individual power.

Not sure how long it would take for them to ever pass Whis, but at some point I think that they will. Regardless as to whether it is through them working together or fusing. Since the series is set to be 100 episodes (and maybe more), I have no doubt that other gods from the other universes will appear! Beerus even said in Battle of Gods that some of those universes spawned beings that were more powerful than he and Whis.

We all know that Goku thrives for fighting more powerful opponents, and Vegeta will not allow himself to be outdone by that low-level clown!

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Could DB Super be similar to the web comic DB Multiverse, and we will see a huge tournament between other DB universes?

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Either way, I think that the series has a lot of potential, and I am looking forward to it. I really hope that it is not like GT because I want all of the characters to shine in DB Super! GT was pretty much “Goku Time” and made everyone else weak.

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In DB Super, fans fear that with opponents like gods and other powerful beings, Goku and Vegeta will be the ONLY ones who have a chance to oppose them.

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This means that everyone else in the show like Super Gotenks, Piccolo and Ultimate Gohan would not stand a chance. Given their performance in Revival of Frieza (minus Gotenks)…this might be the case.

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I want to see a teenage/adult Gotenks, Piccolo reaching a new level of power, and Gohan not being written to be a weakling when he is one of the most powerful beings in the universe!

There are so many twists and turns that this new series can travel down, but I will remain a fan and view it! I do not want to be one of those fans who give the series a thumbs down before it even airs because I want this to be great. The main reason for the series being revived is because of its popularity that is being kept alive by the fans.

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With that being said, what do you think about this theory? How far will DB Super go? Will it continue up until the end of DBZ when Goku leaves with Uub? Will this erase the final 3 episodes of DBZ completely, and create something new? Do you think we will see the other 11 universes?

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Dragon Ball Super: Can Cooler Become Golden Cooler?

By Jeremy Carden

Sibling rivalry is something that exists in both the real world and the fictional world. Needless to say, Dragon Ball fans were excited to see a particular tyrant of the past return to the franchise with new power.

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Considering that Frieza and his father King Cold existed in both the anime and manga, they are both considered to be canon characters within the DB universe.

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However, Cooler was only present in DBZ movies like Cooler’s Revenge, and those movies are not considered to be canon at all.

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He is even briefly seen in Dragon Ball GT, but of course that series is considered non-cannon.

Let me pause for a moment to address certain DB fans who read my blog…

If you see non-canon material as irrelevant, and nothing important to write about; there is no need for you to read this blog. I say this not to be rude, but it gets tiresome to see numerous comments that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Some readers will simply read the title of the blog, say “It’s non-canon! Why does this even matter?” without even bothering to read through what I wrote!

For anyone who feels that way about this particular topic, I did not write this for you!

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I am a huge fan of Cooler, and despite being “non-canon” he is one of my favorite villains from the franchise!

*Rant over*

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Moving on, fans have been wondering if Cell could obtain a “Golden Form” since he has the cells of Frieza inside of him. That is an interesting subject in itself, but I would much rather focus on Cooler’s potential in this post.

Considering he is Frieza’s older brother, you would expect him to be able to do anything that Frieza can do, but even better.

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I mean in Cooler’s Revenge, he proved to be superior to Frieza because he mastered his “true form” which allowed him to unlock an even higher power (5th form).

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He once again outdoes his brother in Return of Cooler, and his new Meta-Cooler body was far more impressive than Mecha Frieza!

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However, Frieza finally surpasses his brother with his Golden Frieza form as a result of his Ultimate Evolution technique.

Fans are curious as to whether or not Cooler could obtain the same level of power as Golden Frieza, and if he could surpass even that!

There was one particular piece of dialogue from Cooler’s Revenge that caught my attention. Based off of this one line, I feel that Frieza was indeed the superior Frost Demon when compared to his brother.

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Before transforming (in the FUNimation dub), Cooler was telling Goku that he was impressed by his power. He understood how his little brother could have been defeated by the Saiyan. Cooler goes onto say that he considered Frieza to be nothing more than a pest because he was constantly trying to defeat his brother in order to prove that he was the best.

Finally, he says that Frieza definitely had the edge, but that was until Cooler reached a new form!

Although he never says the line about Frieza having the edge in the original Japanese dub, that one piece of dialogue (at least to me) was kind of a foreshadowing to what Frieza said after being brought back to life in Revival of F. He expresses the fact that he was born as a prodigy, but never trained a day of his life.

After dedicating 4 months to nonstop training, he obtained a power that surpassed Majin Buu, the Super Saiyan God Super Saiyans and would possibly rival Beerus (well the 70% power Beerus that we saw in Battle of Gods, but maybe not Beerus at full power). Beerus and Buu were the two beings that King Cold warned his son never to provoke.

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This goes back to a statement that Akira Toriyama made regarding the powers of both Frieza and King Cold:

“Among Frieza’s race only Frieza and Cold had such incredible levels of power. It was also stated by Naho Ooishi in an interview for Resurrection ‘F’ that even though the rest of Frieza’s family are strong, Frieza’s power has always been in a completely different league from them, and that he alone is the only one who possess this level of power.”

With that being said, I feel that Cooler has potential, but not to the extreme extent that Frieza does. Power aside, you have to admit that Cooler is far more strategic, patient and smarter than Frieza.

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To him, Frieza was nothing more than a spoiled brat that would go to their father whenever he did not have his way.

Overall, you could say that Frieza was more of a short-term goal being, but his brother was driven by his long-term goals.

This goes back to Cooler feeling that Goku’s escape from Planet Vegeta’s destruction would come back to haunt Frieza someday.

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Of course, this turned out to be true! However, the same happened to Cooler because he did not intercept the Saiyan’s ship when he had the chance either.

I think that Cooler might be able to achieve some sort of power that would exceed his 5th form or Meta-Cooler power. However, based on the above statements, he would not be able to get a power-up as incredible as Frieza did after only 4 months of training because Frieza just has a natural ability that surpasses the rest of the Frost Demons.

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Let’s just imagine Cooler gaining a new power, I do not think that it would look like a “Golden Cooler.” Frieza even states that his “Golden Frieza” form was based off the Super Saiyan transformation, and this hints at his ability to manipulate his body color to whatever he imagined it to be. That is really cool when you think about it!

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Something tells me that Cooler would find a way to make his new body look like something far more impressive than Golden Frieza in every way.

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Again, it goes back to his Meta-Cooler body looking more sleek and complete than Mecha Frieza.

Overall, the creator(s) of the series pretty much put into place the fact that Frieza had a potential that surpasses the rest of his family. However, if he had had a level-head, more skills as a martial artist, etc. Frieza would truly be a fearsome threat. Similar to the Saiyan race, he lets his ego get in the way of the matter at hand leading to his defeat time and time again.

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With that being said, would you like to see Cooler join the ranks of canon characters in Dragon Ball Super? Do you think he could gain some form of an Ultimate Evolution like his brother? Do you prefer Cooler over Frieza?

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Dragon Ball Z Revival of F: Is Golden Frieza More Powerful Than Beerus?

By Jeremy Carden

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What would happen if the God of Destruction fought against the Emperor of the Universe?

This is one question that has been asked by many fans since Frieza returned from the grave!

In Revival of F, Frieza comes back to get revenge on the Saiyans who defeated him in the past. After 4 months of training, the tyrant reaches a new power that he feels is more than enough to bury Goku and his friends for good.

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According to his Japanese voice actor, Frieza’s power is clocked at 100 quintillion in his Golden Form. Most fans do not take this number to heart because this is a voice actor’s words, and not the “official” words of Akira Toriyama.

In any case, we do know that Golden Frieza is not an opponent to take lightly. However, how does his new power stack up to Beerus?

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In Battle of Gods, it is mentioned that Beerus was not a fan of Frieza’s self-entitled attitude. Beerus even says that he would destroy Frieza the next time they crossed paths.

That one moment during the movie was something that caught the attention of fans because it hinted at a possible encounter between Beerus and Frieza (despite the fact that he was dead at the time).

In order to figure out if Golden Frieza could defeat Beerus, it is essential to look at his battles against Goku and Vegeta.

At the level of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, Goku and Vegeta are said to be more powerful than Beerus (at 70% power). Whis says that if the 2 Saiyans were to fight Beerus as a team, they could potentially defeat the God of Destruction.

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Golden Frieza was shown to be more powerful than an individual Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. Goku even states that he was losing his battle with Frieza. He was not able to start gaining the upper hand in the fight until Frieza’s power began to drop.

So, we do know that in terms of raw power; Frieza is more powerful than the Super Saiyan God Super Saiyans.

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Just like his 100% form on Namek, Frieza’s strength is not fully under his control. Due to this flaw, his power level begins to drop the longer he is battling at his peak power.

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This confirms that Golden Frieza is at least more powerful than Beerus at 70% of his maximum power.

Does this mean that Golden Frieza could defeat Beerus if he was at his maximum power?

In my opinion, I do not think that Frieza could defeat Beerus.

Even though 4 months of training was enough to bring Frieza’s abilities to combat the Saiyans, I do not think it was enough to take on Beerus.

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The Super Saiyan God form is very similar to Golden Frieza. Remember that Goku was only fighting at 80% power during his battle with Beerus. Right when he was about to ramp it up to 100%, the time limit on the Super Saiyan God power ran out.

When you look at it from that perspective, Super Saiyan God has the obvious flaw of having a time limit, and that can cause the user to be left in a life-threatening situation.

After mastering the form by training under Whis, Goku and Vegeta were able to take it to the next level as Super Saiyan God Super Saiyans.

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This is similar to Gohan and Goku mastering the regular Super Saiyan form, and becoming Full Power Super Saiyans during their training in the Time Chamber.

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Without the handicap of a time limit to slow him down, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku was able to fight with a power that surpassed Super Saiyan God Goku.

I think that if Frieza had taken time to master his new Golden Form, he could have reached a power that did not have a severe handicap just like Goku and Vegeta were able to acquire.

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Keep in mind that mastery over his Golden Form could have resulted in a new transformation! Remember that his older brother (Cooler) was able to master his true form (or 4th form depending on how you look at it), and from there unlocked an entirely new form.

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As Vegeta pointed out, Frieza should have mastered his new Golden Form prior to coming to earth for revenge. Perhaps things would have turned out differently for him if he had taken that advice.

If Frieza had actually mastered his Golden Form, then I think he might have been able to surpass even the power of Beerus.

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It is a scary realization to say that in only 4 months, Frieza was able to pass by the power of the Super Saiyan Gods! I mean Goku and Vegeta are the best of the best, but Frieza had them beat.

Even though I loved seeing Vegeta beat the crap out of Frieza, I was a bit disappointed that the main reason he was able to do so was because of Frieza’s power dropping during his fight with Goku.

Golden Frieza noticed that Beerus was on earth during his fight with Goku, and the tyrant’s face was covered in fear! Now if he had mastered that Golden Form, then perhaps he would have challenged Beerus after killing the Saiyans.

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Another thing to take into consideration is Frieza’s skill. It is true that his power is incredible, but he lacks the training of superior mentors to add more moves to his already deadly arsenal. Goku has had a lot of mentors during his lifetime, Vegeta’s first true master is Whis, and Beerus trained with Whis as well.

Whis points out that Beerus still has his own flaws to overcome to become a perfect warrior. He has pride just like the Saiyans, and his anger gets the better of him. However, I think his skill surpasses Frieza’s in the long run.

What do you think of my theory on this battle between destroyers? Do you feel that Frieza does have the power in Golden Form to surpass the power of Beerus?

Dragon Ball Z: How Did Cooler Survive Being Blasted Into the Sun?

By Jeremy Carden

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First off, let me just say that Cooler is one of my favorite movie villains in the Dragon Ball franchise.

He is indeed much “cooler” than his younger brother Frieza (yeah I know I couldn’t help but let a cooler-pun slip out of my mouth)!

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I mean Frieza demonstrated the awesome transformations that the Frost Demon race was capable of performing to bottle up their power.

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However, his older brother took it a step further by giving us one of the coolest (see I did it again!) transformations with his 5th form!

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When Mecha Frieza returned to earth to exact his revenge on Goku, he came back looking like he was given a patch up job with some spare refrigerator parts found in a scrap yard…

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Meta-Cooler appears on New Namek with a much more impressive new robotic body than Frieza.

Since it has been established that Cooler is “cooler” than Frieza, there is still one question that is left unanswered; How in the world did he survive being blasted into the sun?

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At the end of Cooler’s Revenge, Goku launched a Super Kamehameha Wave that pushed Cooler’s Supernova back at the powerful tyrant. Cooler was left clinging on to the attack as Goku’s energy wave pushed him into the sun.

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I’ve always questioned why Cooler didn’t just “jump off” the energy attacks in time to avoid being burned to a crisp. The distance from the earth to the sun is 92,960,000 miles and it seemed like Goku’s Super Kamehameha attack was moving extremely fast if it had enough power to be shot from earth to the sun in what seemed to be seconds!

Cooler was in a difficult situation as he was being pushed back by his own Supernova and Goku’s attack. Though I don’t see how he couldn’t somehow manage to escape.

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Looking back at when Goku fired a Super Kamehameha blast at 100% Frieza on Namek, the one moment Frieza had over his brother was when he escaped the Super Saiyan’s trademark attack.

Despite Goku having the power advantage, Frieza was able to get out of the beam collision and knock the Saiyan into the molten lava of Namek!

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When he finally hits the sun, Cooler is reverted back to his “base” form which is actually his 4th form if you want to compare him to Frieza. Remembering that he did this to himself by not killing Goku as a baby when he had the chance, the Supernova exploded and a bright flash came from the sun before it went back to normal.

Despite being cool, Cooler was no match for the heat of the sun!

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Then we get to the next movie The Return of Cooler where the tyrant is now in a new body and is far more powerful than he was before! In the first movie, his 4th form was being dominated by Goku in base form!

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In his final form, Cooler was dominated by Super Saiyan Goku. As Meta-Cooler, he is capable of taking down 2 Super Saiyans and Piccolo (after fusing with Kami) with no problem at all.

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Toward the end of the film, he finally explains how he became a part of the Big Gete Star. Now from my perspective, I can understand how that one computer chip somehow became active and began absorbing components from around it that was floating around in space. So from that one computer chip, the entire massive structure which is known as the Big Gete Star came to be.

Based on the way Cooler explained the story, some parts of his body (including his brain) was floating around in space and was also absorbed into the components of the Big Gete Star and from there his consciousness took over this giant planet eater. In a way, it seems that Meta-Cooler is like Brainiac from the Superman series who travels around space “collecting” planets.

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For Brainiac it was scanning planets for information before destroying them. In the case of the “Big Gete Cooler Star” it was about using the power of a planet’s core to fuel the entire machine.

Which is kind of ironic considering that before his resurrection as Meta-Cooler, he was in the Planet Trade Organization with his father and Frieza “collecting” planets (along with destroying them on occasion).

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Now when I really think about it, there are two ways that Cooler could have survived being sent to the surface of the sun with the end result being his remains floating around in space before being absorbed into the Big Gete Star.

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  1. When the Supernova attack finally exploded, Cooler was caught in the blast because he was literally being pressed up against the sun with his Supernova right on top of him. The shock wave of the blast could have sent his remains into the vacuum of space where he was just floating around.
  2. Cooler used Instant Transmission at the last second to escape the explosion of his Supernova on the sun to salvage what was left of his existence (and body) into the vacuum of space.

#2 might sound a bit far-fetched but hear me out because there are possible clues to this in Cooler’s Revenge AND The Return of Cooler.

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After Goku uses Instant Transmission to escape Cooler’s Supernova, the Saiyan boasts about his new technique.

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Cooler remarks that it is one of his favorite techniques as well and he uses is to land a powerful punch to the Saiyan’s jaw.

The big question is; when and how did Cooler learn how to use Instant Transmission?

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Now as far as we know from the anime and manga, the natives of the Planet Yardart are the ones who came up with the technique.

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Yardrart is the planet where the Ginyu Force was originally on route to before Frieza called them to Namek. Goku said that when he jumped into one of the ships belonging to the force, he started up the engines and flew off! The ship randomly flew into space and Goku barely escape the destruction of Namek. It seems that since he did not have time to plot a course (or if he even knew how to set the ship to a certain destination), the ship sent Goku to the most recent coordinates in its database.

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Could Cooler have attacked, taken over or destroyed Planet Yardrat himself and learned the technique?

It could be that after becoming one with the Big Gete Star, Cooler attacked the planet and absorbed the information from one of the natives.

Looking at Cooler’s Revenge, it is also quite possible that Cooler was able to use the technique prior to becoming Meta-Cooler.

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As far as I can tell, no one in the Frost Demon Clan is able to sense Ki signatures. This was made clear when Goku was fighting Frieza.

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While Future Trunks was transforming into a Super Saiyan, if King Cold COULD sense power levels then he would have been able to detect that Trunks was more powerful than his son and even himself (while in that form).

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Think back to Cooler’s Revenge, when his Armored Squadron was attacking Goku: Cooler appeared out of nowhere.

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After Goku and Gohan fell over the waterfall and into the river, Cooler’s men blasted the forest into a wasteland. Then what happened? Cooler appeared out of nowhere.

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Piccolo killed two of the squadron members and was about to do the same to Salza before he was blasted through the chest with a Death Beam. Where did the attack come from? Cooler because he appeared out of nowhere!

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Finally after Goku ate a Senzu Bean and emerged from the cave he was hiding in, he is taunted from the sky by a murderous tyrant holding a badly injured Piccolo. Who was it? COOLER AND HE APPEARED OUT OF NOWHERE!!

Another thing to remember is that Cooler was never seen where a Scouter unlike his men. This could mean that he either has no interest in wearing one or he can simply sense power levels.

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How could he appear out of nowhere at random multiple times during the movie when his men were doing battle against the Z-Fighters?

Again, it could mean that he could sense Ki because he literally came out of nowhere exactly where the battles were occurring. Now it could have just been because he is very fast and that could explain how he was able to get to all of those places at just the right time or it could have been because of Instant Transmission!

It stands to reason that Cooler did know Instant Transmission in his first movie, but the writers simply decided to omit his use of it in favor of him saving for his battle with Goku on New Namek.

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Keep in mind that in the first movie, it does not seem like Cooler needed to use it against Goku. He was mopping the floor with him and it was clear that Cooler was much faster than Goku after transforming. It wasn’t until Goku went Super Saiyan did Cooler get a beating. The only time Cooler would have needed to use the technique was when he was being blasted into the sun!

If you ask me the only real question is when and how he picked up the move. Considering that he goes around taking over and destroying planets, Cooler could have come across it at some point and learned it from a Yardart native on the actual Planet Yardrat or one of them on another planet.

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Frieza wanted to take over the Planet Kanassa in the Bardock special because it was rumored to have some sort of psychic powers like being able to read minds. The same could be said about the abilities of the people of Yardart being rumored about around the galaxy and Cooler wanted to learn such a technique that allowed him to travel to one place to another in an instant.

Now regardless as to whether or not it was Instant Transmission or being simply blown away from the sun by the shock wave of the explosion, Cooler’s remains were sent into space before being absorbed into the Big Gete Star.

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It is very similar to how Frieza’s remains were floating in space after being cut in half by his own energy disk, getting hit by Goku’s Angry Kamehameha Wave and being caught in the explosion of Namek! Considering he was able to survive all that says a lot about the incredible endurance and biology of Frieza’s family. Especially when it comes to them being able to survive not only in space but after serious injury that would kill any other normal beings.

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Frieza was eventually found by his father and repaired to be more powerful than ever.

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Cooler’s remains were picked up by the Big Gete Star and he was reborn to more powerful than ever. He even created a new metal body for himself along with having the Cyclopian Guards acting as a first line of offense when taking over a planet.

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Another thing to think about is the possibility of a portion of Cooler’s head being the only thing that was left of Cooler’s body that was not completely destroyed in the sun. Just check out this giant form of the core of the Big Gete Star that contains what was left of the organic Cooler. the only part that does not look robotic is one side of his head and face which is a much different color (purple and red) than the wiring and metal of his body.

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Now compare it to Frieza’s head where you can see his organic form having half of his head blasted off as you can see above.

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As Mecha Frieza, that part of his head was mechanically repaired which resembles the Core-Cooler from the Big Gete Star.

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In the Team Four Star Abridged version of The Return of Cooler, they poked fun at the fact that Cooler’s remains were floating around space and came in contact with the Big Gete Star (or at least the computer chip that started it all). As humorous as this scene was, it is probably accurate in the fact that only a portion of Cooler’s head and brain remained after he was burned up in the sun. It seems that unlike his brother who had nearly the complete portion of his upper torso intact (aside from half of his head and one of his arms), Cooler only had part of his head floating around in space.

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Another thing that fans wonder about is why Cooler did not go into his final form as Meta-Cooler. I really wish we could have seen that because it would have been epic! Since his body duplicates get repaired thanks to the Big Gete Star whenever they are damaged and improve after each injury Cooler did not have a need to transform. Not to mention Cooler was in 4th form (or what was left of his body) when absorbed into the Big Gete Star and not his 5th form.

With all of that being said, how do you think Cooler survived being blasted into the sun?

Cold Family Relations; Past encounters between Cooler and Frieza

by Jeremy Carden

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Based on his talk with Goku before transforming, Cooler mentions that Frieza was always trying to defeat him. Cooler goes further in saying that Frieza definitely had the edge BUT that was until Cooler transformed beyond the 4th form. He said Frieza was always trying to defeat him in order to prove himself the strongest in the universe.

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Similar to Bills in Battle of Gods, Cooler said that he would have killed Frieza sooner or later. Wow, talk about family values…

Now, the main question is; when did these two battle each other (on more than one occasion) and what form(s) did they fight in?

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I think some of the clues lie in the dialogue that they use when describing their different transformations. On Namek, Frieza says that his 3rd and 4th forms were never seen or used before on an opponent. I think he might have used his 2nd form before, he says that King Vegeta never saw it and even taunts Vegeta saying that he didn’t even need to transform in order to destroy the Saiyan race.

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After he transformed, he extended his tail to attack Gohan, Krillin and Vegeta. The three of them dodge and Frieza mentions that he was impressed as most opponents do not see that technique coming. To me that may imply that he has either used his 2nd form before OR he did the tail extending attack to opponents in his first form. However, when talking about this topic I’d probably lean more towards him using his 2nd form before.

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Zarbon was the one to tell Vegeta that Frieza could transform so it stands to reason either Zarbon has seen Frieza transform before OR Frieza just told him that he could transform.

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“Over time, Frieza’s power became so great that his body could not comfortably contain it, and a series of physical transformations were developed to limit his actual strength.”

This could hint that Frieza AND Cooler’s past battles most likely took place when they were in their “final” or “true” forms. Frieza’s 1st-3rd forms are used to conserve or restrict his power.

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Cooler said that he had the edge which possibly meant that at some point, Frieza had the power or had the potential to reach a power level that would exceed his brother’s. However due to the strain on his body, he was forced to convert or create his alternate forms in order to keep his power “bottled up.”

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What I mean by “had the power” is that during one of their battles, when Frieza “had the upper hand” or “edge” as Cooler put it the fight was probably similar to 100% Frieza’s fight with Super Saiyan Goku in a certain aspect. Of course Goku was toying with Frieza just to see what he was like at full power; inferior to Goku’s power by 30 million.

But as the battle went on, Frieza’s body felt the strain of being at such a high power level (120 million) and his power began to fall. It stands to reason during one of his fights with Cooler, Frieza was winning but the longer the fight went on the more his power dropped keeping him from finishing the job to prove himself #1 in the universe (or at least better than his older brother).

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Cooler probably noticed this and did the OPPOSITE and by that I mean he embraced his final form as his “normal” form. Instead of having alternate forms that concealed his power, that strain of his growing power in his final form was something Cooler possibly mastered. This was what probably led to him “unlocking” his 5th form.

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Which is extremely similar to how Goku and Gohan mastered their Super Saiyan forms; by using their “final form” as their “normal” state, they were able to eliminate the strain on their bodies and by doing so were able to unlock the new form of Super Saiyan 2.

Yeah I know, Gohan did it first but I think that since Goku mastered Super Saiyan as well he probably reached the form in Other World faster than Vegeta did since he had already controlled the SS transformation.

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I think of Frieza’s transformation like Vegeta and Trunks’ Ascended and Ultra Super Saiyan forms. In their case it wasn’t about concealing their power levels like Frieza but exerting it which caused a strain on their bodies like Frieza’s 100% power did on him. Goku and Gohan did the OPPOSITE (like Cooler) making them more powerful as a result.

That being said, it is easy to see how Frieza’s 4th form would not be as powerful as Cooler’s who was able to completely master it. Similar to how a Super Saiyan Vegeta or Trunks would not be able to defeat Full Power Super Saiyan Goku or Gohan even if they used their Ascended Super Saiyan forms.

Alright, so I’ve established how I feel about Frieza and Cooler’s power along with their transformations. Let’s move on to how these battles could influence the family and organization as a whole.

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We know that King Cold is apparently the head of the Planet Trade Organization based on his title of “King.” Either that means he is the head of it all or he has a fascination with the nursery rhyme “Old King Cold” and liked the title so much he decided to use it.

Frieza and Cooler rule their own respective parts of the galaxy as Cooler pointed out in the beginning of Cooler’s revenge that Goku’s pod escaping was Frieza’s problem not his because it was not his sector of the galaxy it was Frieza’s.

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DB Wiki states that Cooler has at least 256 planets in his “collection” or domain and Frieza has at least 79 (that we know of) in his command. It seems obvious that they both have many races under their control as well.

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This goes back to a post I did awhile back about what happened to the “Frost Family Domain” after they were all killed, we are talking about 100’s of planets now free of their control.

Did another powerful tyrant emerge out of the Frost race or did another alien race come in and take over? If the writers ever decide to continue the series this could really be something they could run off of and make it fit into the timeline of the anime/manga.

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We know that Cooler was going to kill Frieza eventually but the question remains due to their vanity and superiority complexes; would they REALLY kill each other? I know in Tenkaichi 1, in the What-If story when Frieza defeats his brother instead of killing him, he decided to make his brother work for him. I could see this happening considering they ARE brothers and if one proved that they were #1 in the universe over the other I’m sure killing them would not be the satisfaction that they were looking for.

That doesn’t mean one would not EVENTUALLY kill the other, but a quick kill probably wouldn’t be what would make either one of these tyrants “happy.”

Not to mention if Cooler or Frieza proved to be superior over the other, they’d take command over the planets in the other one’s empire in order to expand their own domain.

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How does King Cold fit into this?

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Well considering we don’t know his true power or if he has advanced forms similar to his sons. I honestly think that he does considering the 4th forms of Cooler and Frieza are really their “true” forms, it could be that King Cold is in his 2nd form similar to how Frieza used his 1st form as his “normal” form. I think that unlike his dad or brother, Cooler embraced his “true” form and that unlocked his 5th form. I think King Cold probably had a “first form” like Frieza but then managed to move it up to form 2 as his normal form.

In Tenkaichi 3, I believe he said he doesn’t like Cooler or rebellious sons. It stands to reason Frieza had more in common with his dad (most likely the use of alternate forms to conceal or manage their true power), Cooler was probably “corrupt” or “power hungry” from a young age and wanted nothing more than to take his dad’s place.

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I know they are not Saiyans but as Turles put it, “Son kills father…that’s so Saiyan…”

The same might be true of the Frost Race in terms of power and obtaining it at ANY costs. This could be why Cold “spoiled” Frieza so that unlike Cooler, he’d work closely with him and not try to cause a coup and steal his power. That might explain why Cooler works alone and the “relationship” between Cold and Frieza seems to be stronger than he and Cooler.

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One must wonder (canon or not) if it was Cooler who was floating in space in a near-death condition and not Frieza, would Cold rescue him like he did Frieza?

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Cooler went to earth not to avenge Frieza’s death but to restore the tarnished image to his family’s name. That doesn’t hint at him respecting his father either, if one of their family members brings shame to the family name it makes ALL of them look bad.

What do you think about all of this?