Tyler Perry’s The Haves and the Have Nots Theory: Will David Sleep with Maggie?

By Jeremy Carden

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Now while most people were stunned by the Season 2 finale ending with Amanda shooting someone within the Cryer Mansion, others were wondering about whether or not David would commit adultery.

David is viewed as the polar opposite of Jim Cryer in many ways, and the last thing viewers would expect him to do is cheat on his wife Veronica. However, given the way that she has been acting the entire season…most fans would not be surprised if David really does sleep with Maggie!

Do I think that David will sleep with her?

I’m going to say yes, but there are a couple of reasons for that. Looking back to earlier episodes in Season 2, both David and Jeffery were placed in tough situations by Veronica. She forced Jeffery to go out with Melissa and the two of them were drinking.


This lead to them going back to Jeffery’s apartment (although he did not want her there) and she forced herself on him which resulted in drunken sex. Do I think she raped Jeffery? That’s another blog for another time…

Comparing that to David moving out to the Sarandon Hotel due to Veronica’s behavior, we have ourselves a father/son tragedy!


The thing about Maggie is that despite being drunk (like Melissa); she gets to David on a psychological level. She knows how to push his buttons (both in a good and bad way). Many fans could not believe that David would give in during a moment of weakness.

I knew from the moment he decided to take that drink with Maggie that things were going to go south. Remember that for his wife’s sake, he hasn’t had a drink himself for years because she was a recovering addict herself.

Then in the finale, he pulls “a Jeffery” and has a double which is a strong drink and add on the fact that Veronica refused to answer his call while he was in his hotel room led to a recipe for disaster. Keep in mind that David was officially fed up with Veronica at this point. Not to mention the fact that she was blackmailing their son this was another reason that David was pushed over the edge.


A few episodes prior, Veronica caught these two coming out of David’s hotel room and she generally assumed that he was sleeping with her. Due to the fact that David lied to her several times back in Season 1 when he was trying to cover Jim’s affair with Candace, Veronica’s trust in him has been tainted ever since.

We could really see the temptation that David was going through in the finale due to the fact that he had spoken his peace with Jeffery despite the fact that he is gay. He tells his son that he must be happy and be free no matter what (including his mother’s threats). When he walked off after Veronica asked if him telling Jeffery that sacrificing everything to make someone else happy was a reference to her, it pretty much solidified the fact that he was done! Perhaps in Season 3 we will learn what it was exactly that David sacrificed, but I know I’m curious to find out.


Considering that Maggie knew exactly how to read David despite his lies covering up how miserable he was, him drinking and Veronica not answering the phone…well it was a recipe for disaster.

Thinking about how much time was dedicated in the finale to the Harrington family and David spending time with Maggie, I really think that he sleeps with her. I think it would be ridiculous if he didn’t considering all the time he took starting at the door opening it and walking into Maggie’s room.

I don’t think that David would have slept with Maggie if he wasn’t both upset AND drunk (sort of drunk anyway), but in this case I think that he will sleep with her. Keep in mind that Maggie asked if David wanted to sleep with her the other night, and she said he was lying when he said no because she could read his body language.

Alright, so let’s say these two do sleep together! How would things go from there?

Well here is an interesting theory about what happens in Season 3 if these two do sleep together;

Both wake up the next morning and they are stunned that they actually slept together. Remember they had both been drinking so that was one of the reasons they got in bed together. The first time David managed to brush off Maggie’s advances, she comes to his room the next morning (finally sober) to apologize for trying to seduce him.

I think David would be very surprised and disappointed in what he has done. Maggie will be pleased, surprised and somewhat ashamed but she would have finally gotten what she has wanted for so long.


Keep in mind that Jim is kidnapped so he won’t be making an appearance at the press conference to announce that he is running for governor. Well that all depends on whether or not Candace lets him go so he can make his announcement. The only reason that I think she would let him go is if she meets his random demands so he can go free.

Let’s say that Jim does not make it to the announcement and David is the only one to show up for his announcement to run for Lieutenant Governor. Veronica is going to show up to stand by his side in order to be in the spotlight. However, let’s take it a step further and say that David announces that HE is the one who runs for governor!

Why would this happen?

For a few reasons:

  1. Back in Season 1 when David gives Jim a speech about sacrificing personal desires on the altar of destiny, Jim says that HE should be the one who should run for governor.
  2. The former governor in not so many words said that the state of Georgia was not ready for a black governor.
  3. This is the best one; Maggie asked David if he was jealous of being in Jim’s shadow. David boldly replies that he is comfortable in his own sin and accomplishments without any jealousy towards Jim. Maggie said that was indeed truth, but if they slept together then I’d say her influence would make him say that he is running instead of Jim.

It would be hilarious for Veronica to try and stand beside him during that moment! Thinking about how he and Maggie slept together and she is trying to ride the coattails of David after putting him and their son through hell.

David had been seen making phone calls to Veronica’s mother so it might be safe to assume that at some point she will appear in Season 3 to help straighten things out.

Something tells me that at some point in the new episodes if David tries to rekindle his marriage, Maggie will turn into Celine (after a brief affair she will feel ignored and become obsessed with David) and that will make things even more difficult for David.

Not to mention Jeffery and his feelings towards this! He still loves his mom, but is feeling so trapped by her. If he finds out his father cheated on her then I fear the worst…


David talked with Veronica about how most kids who are homosexual tragically commit suicide because that would be easier than coming out of the closet. Veronica says that Jeffery is too strong for that. I think that was a ridiculous statement coming from her because if you ask me, I feel that she has “beaten him down” so much with verbal abuse that he is very fragile. The struggle of him living in the closet all of his life and Veronica’s controlling nature takes away pretty much all of his strength.

I really don’t want to think that Jeffery will commit suicide, but just keep in mind that this show has a way of foreshadowing major events in small dialogue scenes…

Bluntly put, if David does sleep with Maggie then he will find himself in a “Jim-like” state but he didn’t go into the gutter to find what he was looking for like Jim. As Maggie put it; you should sleep with someone who has as much to lose as you do.


Keep in mind that Veronica does not believe that David did NOT sleep with Maggie prior to the end of Season 2 so as far as she is concerned her husband is a cheater.

What do you think about this theory; did David sleep with Maggie? Will he announce that he is running for governor? How will Jeffery deal with this if David DOES sleep and Maggie and he finds out about it?

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Tyler Perry’s The Haves and the Have Nots Theory: Is Mama Rose the Mother of Jim Cryer?

By Jeremy Carden

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Only about 50 more days until Season 3 comes on OWN! Until that time when everyone’s favorite show comes back on the air, I have a few more theories to write in order to keep fans thinking about the show.

This is an interesting theory that of course my mom and I have discussed a few times in the past. Aside from being the hired muscle of Judge Cryer, is it possible that the Malones have a connection with Jim that we do not know about?


For this particular theory blog the question being asked is whether or not Mama Rose is the “mama” of Jim Cryer!

Now we know little to nothing about Jim’s parents and from what was mentioned on the show once or twice was that he did not have a life of privilege like Katheryn. He was just a good looking young man who swept the rich girl off of her feet.

Katheryn did tell Hanna that Jim’s mother was a real bitch (excuse the language but that is a direct quote), but that is all we have heard about her.

Alright, Jim threatens Candace with the fact that he had a man who was obviously guilty from murdering women. However, it was one of his first cases on the bench and he let it slide. On every holiday this man would send Jim a card saying thanks for letting him off the hook and that if he ever had a problem with a woman…Jim could call him up and he’d take care of his “problem.”


This occurred in Episode 2 and was a major foreshadowing of the Season 2 climax of the Malones abducting Candace.

We later find out a few interesting facts about this case:

  1. The man was one of Mama Rose’s boys
  2. Jim practically swept this case under the rug, but it would come back to haunt him because it was one of the most important cases of Jennifer’s (the D.A.) life and she lost it in his courtroom (not to mention Jim said he had an affair with her during his honeymoon with Katheryn however he said it sarcastically so we can’t be 100% sure if he meant that or not). This results in her hating both Jim and David…

Considering that Jim allowed the Malone on trial to go free, it would appear that Mama Rose and her boys are in Jim’s debt. The extent of that debt is unknown but Jim has mentioned that they owe him a lot and if not for him they would have all been in prison.


David said that he should not rely on them too much because at some point their debt to him will be repaid (at least in their eyes) and they will be asking him to pay them for all of these “favors.” Keep in mind that it was David who suggested Jim call the Malones in the first place to take care of Candace.

From there we see Jim call on them to get their hands on Norman Hewens in order to use him as a “Wyatt decoy” so to speak to get him off the hook for the hit-and-run charges. If you ask me, it is very possible that Jim has called on them in the past to deal with “problems.”

Why do I say that?

Jim told Candace that he was a good magician because he could make people “disappear.” Considering that he was able to use the Malones to make Candace disappear, it goes without saying that Jim has used his hired muscle to handle problems in his past.


Another thing to think about is how David knew about the Malones, the work that they do along with the fact that it was him who suggested calling them up in the first place. It stands to reason that he knows about the “criminal underworld” of their city and how to call on them if necessary. Considering David’s character, I don’t think that he knew about the Malones until he and Jim met up in law school and began working together.

Now that we’ve covered all of that, we now know the connection between Jim and the Malones in terms of what we do know from the first 2 seasons of the show. However, there is one burning question that has yet to be answered; what is this “restaurant” Mama Rose keeps asking Jim to stop by?

This could be a legitimate establishment or the term  “restaurant” means something entirely different in the criminal world than what we are all used to (a business where people go to eat). There is another interesting piece of evidence that we have to think about here in terms of what this place is.


Jim said that he spent 15 years running a business (that we don’t know anything about) before he sat on the bench as a judge and from there as we see in the series he is trying to run for governor. Remember he told Rose the reporter (not Mama Rose, but Rose the reporter who was trying to see if Jim was actually going to run for governor) that he did run a business for 15 years and that he thought he might be capable of “running” the city as governor. We know that Katheryn’s family groomed Jim into the dashing judge that he is today from learning what a salad fork was to paying his way through law school.

So that sums up the history of Jim Cryer from being the bad boy no one wants to bring home to mother (Katheryn did say that her father did not like him…which made her love him even more) to the judge that the city adores.


Mama Rose was the only child to the former leader of the Malone group. Due to her not having any brothers, she was the one her father molded to be the head of the organization. From what we can tell she does not have a husband or children…but then again there is so much that we do not know about her!

Now here is when this theory kicks into action!

Don’t you think that it would be very useful for a crime organization to have someone on the inside of the legal system? Someone that was raised to become their defender in the public while they moved in the shadows?


It stands to reason that aside from being the jock that made the cubby rich girl fall in love with him leading to his ascension to the status of judge, Jim was told to wiggle his way into the house of the Hardgraves in order to be in one of the wealthiest families in Georgia. In that case, he would be the person to bail out the Malones if they were to ever get into any legal trouble. Let’s say that Jim Cryer isn’t even his real name, but a fake name that he took to avoid using Malone.

I know that all sounds a bit too much in terms of over thinking, but then again the HAHN is one of those shows where every episode leads to another clue in this ongoing story.


You are probably thinking that if Jim is the son of Mama Rose then how in the world could he owe her anything at some point for all of their favors if he is literally her son?!

Well I’m not 100% sure how crime organizations run (I only saw the Godfather once and that was awhile back so that is the only glance into a mob lifestyle that I know about), but something tells me that no matter if you are flesh and blood there is going to be a debt that has to be paid at some point…

This restaurant seems to be the key that might solve this mystery in terms of whether or not my theory is right. From what we can tell, this so called restaurant is a place that most likely isn’t a normal establishment. The main reason for this is the fact that Jim says he cannot simply go to visit there and be seen considering that he is running for governor. With that being said it might be a place that the upper-class or law abiding citizens don’t visit.


Is this the business that Jim ran before going to law school? Was he working there before he met with Katheryn? There are so many unanswered questions but that is what makes this show so darn good!

Hopefully in Season 3 we might find out the answers that we are dying to know. What do you think about this theory? Is Mama Rose the mother of Jim or is she just simply another one of his connections?


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