Dragonball GT: How Powerful Were Uub and Goku?

by Jeremy Carden

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Why do most people estimate GT Goku (base form) and Uub around the power level range of a Super Saiyan 2?

I think there are 2 reasons that most people assume that is what their power levels are. Really, I can’t call them “good” reasons because GT is a series that pretty much throws away “logic” in terms of power.

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In GT, if you are not Goku then you are pretty much “Krillin” and that goes for EVERYONE; Piccolo, Super Saiyan Trunks and Goten, Super Saiyan 2 Gohan and Vegeta.

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Then after Goku became a Super Saiyan 4 he was once again without a doubt #1. The only fighter who could outclass him as a Super Saiyan 3 was most likely Majuub.

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Also keep in mind that Majuub was made into the “fall guy” in major battles against Baby Vegeta (purposefully losing to weaken the Great Golden Ape from the inside to weaken him enough for Goku to win and stall while the 3 Super Saiyans plus Pan restored his power), Super 17 and Syn Shenron (basically being the one to stall the dragon while the 3 Super Saiyans recharged Goku’s “batteries” to surpass his limits becoming an even more powerful version of his previous SS4-self).

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This is a real shame because Uub was the ONLY one to train (aside from Goku) because Goku was his mentor for 10 years and really even before he fused with Buu the only one stronger than him was Goku because he and Goku were dead even. Now if Goku even used a regular Super Saiyan transformation, Uub would not even have a prayer of winning due to Super Saiyan/Full Power Super Saiyan Goku being 50 times stronger than he was considering he was equal to base form Goku.

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Don’t get me wrong some fan-fiction stories like DB Multiverse make an interesting plotline of Goku teaching Uub how to use the Kaio-Ken (in multiple levels similar to how King Kai taught Goku, though it doesn’t mention how many times he can multiply it before he’s reached his maximum) during their 10 years together in order for him to boost/multiply his power because he can’t become a Super Saiyan due to being 100% human.

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Though this is never seen or mentioned in GT, it would have been an interesting way of showing us that despite being human, Uub could raise his power even further. With Uub being in the realm of a Super Saiyan 2 and being on par with base form Goku, it is easy to see how he would be able to dominate SS2 Gohan (who hasn’t trained in 20 years due to high school, college, getting married, having a child and becoming a scholar/businessman) as easily as Kid Goku (base form) did.

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He MIGHT have a tough fight with SS2 Vegeta but that would be his only REAL competition besides Goku. I think Vegeta trained during the 10 years between Z and GT but not to the extent of Goku and Uub’s intense training sessions. Besides, Vegeta didn’t have a sparring partner to test his strength on because his daughter REFUSES to train and his son (who used to train with his dad) is now the President of Capsule Corp.

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That being said I highly doubt that GT Vegeta (base form) would be in the same SS2 power range as Goku (base form) and Uub. Remember how easily he was getting tossed around by SS2 Baby Gohan? True, Gohan’s power wasn’t just his own, Baby was inside of his body at the time but really “Teen Baby” isn’t that powerful because remember that Goten (base form) was easily able to outmaneuver him and beat him into the ground.

Here are 2 reasons that I feel base form Goku is in the power range of SS2;

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  1. He was easily able to defeat SS2 Baby-controlled Gohan and SS Baby-controlled Goten when he arrived back on Earth from outer space looking for the Blackstar Dragonballs. The only reason Goku was damaged was because he took the damage from 2 Ki attacks. The first one was when he and Pan were completely in shock because their family had turned against them and wanted them dead so it was understandable that Goku would be off guard and on the run from his son’s twin Ki blasts. The second was when he protected Pan from Gohan’s attack. Now when all bets were off, he easily beat the crap out of his SS2 and SS sons with ease.

images (3)2. He was able to easily defeat Perfect Cell (we don’t know if it was Super Perfect Cell but even if it was they made the fight so               ridiculous that fans couldn’t take it seriously…well at least I know that I couldn’t) who was only able to be beaten in his time by a Super Saiyan

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I know base form Goku was able to hold his own against General Rilldo’s first form which he said was even more powerful than Majin Buu. True, but even though I don’t know which form of Buu he was referring to (either Kid Buu or Mr/Good Buu) in any case it would be more powerful than a SS2. I DON’T think he was referring to Kid Buu because if he was and based on the fact that Goku was holding his own, that would mean GT Kid Goku’s base form power would possibly rival that of a SS3 (x400 base power) which would be HIGHLY unreasonable even by GT standards.

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So, technically I could see why you could argue it being the #3 reason people say that Goku’s strength is about the same as a Super Saiyan 2’s. However, his Kamehameha Wave doing considerable damage to Rilldo MIGHT suggest him being MORE powerful (at least by a little bit) than a Super Saiyan 2.

Why?

Keep in mind that it seems likely that Rilldo pulled a “Perfect Cell” realizing before it was too late/being caught by surprise that the Ki attack was enough to do a lot of damage to him (possibly destroying him completely; but since he could make a new body from any metal on the planet he wouldn’t be “killed”) and managed to pull out at the last second to avoid taking the attack on full force but not fast enough to get away without any damage.

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Of course he would still not be as powerful as a SS3 in base form but maybe more powerful or around the same as Cell Saga SS2 Gohan. Even though he dominated SS2 Gohan in GT, remember this “Gohan” hasn’t trained for 20 years; 27 if you count the 7 years after the Cell Saga with the only training he did being a couple of months before the World Tournament (true he did get his powers unlocked by Old Kai BUT power doesn’t equal training and it stands to reason that his unlocked power became “locked/hidden” again due to his lack of training to keep his skills and power intact).  So, it is understandable that his SS2 powers would not be on par with his pre-teen or teenage persona(s) from Z making him an easy win for a his father in base form since he has been training for 10 years straight from Z to GT.

It is just ridiculously “amazing” to think that in base form the guy is at a SS2 level which is x100 base power. Let me see if I can get my math right;

  • Base form GT Goku = SS2 power level (which is x100 base power)
  • SS GT Goku = x500 base power (due to x50 base power)
  • SS2 GT Goku = x1000 base power (since it is x2 a SS’s power)
  • SS3 GT Goku = x4000 base power (being x4 a SS2’s power)
  • SS4 GT Goku = x40000 base power (being x10 a SS3’s power)

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That is just INSANE! This means in theory a SS3 GT Goku would have the same x4000 increase as a SS4 if you multiply the power levels by “DBZ standards” in terms of a SS2’s power. No wonder Goku made everyone else look like his bitches!

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Now let’s take a look at Uub if hypothetically he knew how to use the Kaio-Ken; keep an open mind when it comes to Kaio-Ken x1 and x2 because it is hard to tell which one doubles the user’s strength…so I’ll just start it off at Kaio-Ken x10 to make things easier.

  • Base power GT Uub = SS2 power level (which is x100 base power)
  • Kaio-Ken x10 = x1000 base power (that is over double the x400 of a Super Saiyan 3!)
  • Kaio-Ken x20 = x10000 base power (which would be ¼ of Super Saiyan 4 Goku’s power!)

Keep in mind that I think Uub could handle an x20 Kaio-Ken and above simply because his power is FAR higher than Goku’s 3,000,000 base power on Namek. True, you could support Goku’s use of the x20 Kaio-Ken due to his body’s durability being multiplied heavily by training at x100 Earth’s normal gravity.

But with Uub’s natural ability to mimic techniques and 10 years of training with Goku and being on par with him it stands to reason that he would have a similar level of durability as his sensei. Yes, that is only when comparing them in base form but I still think that he could handle high levels of Kaio-Ken.

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If you think that blows your mind, then how about if Majuub used the Kaio-Ken? Remember, I put him in the same power level range as a SS3 (x400 base power) so let’s just take a look at some hypothetical numbers;

  • Majuub (base power) = x400 (same power level as a Super Saiyan 3)
  • Kaio-Ken x10 = x4000 base power (same power increase as a Super Saiyan 4)
  • Kaio-Ken x20 = x40000 base power (same as SS4 Goku at least before Goku surpassed his limits against Syn Shenron but still impressive!)

Remember that the Fusion with Buu boosted his already incredible power by x4 (since is base form is arguably the same as a SS2’s and Majuub is in the realm of a SS3 meaning Buu increased his power by 4). It stands to reason that since his power increased that durability of his also went up greatly meaning Majuub could up the multiplications of the Kaio-Ken as well.

Now remember these numbers are purely hypothetical (well at least in terms of Uub/Majuub because I’m referring to him using the Kaio-Ken) not to mention the dangers of using the Kaio-Ken at a level higher than the body can withstand could be fatal.

In the end, you can see how ridiculous GT was in terms of the strength of the main characters mainly due to their serious lack of training but also by overpowering Goku way too much.

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2 thoughts on “Dragonball GT: How Powerful Were Uub and Goku?

  1. Jor'Dan says:

    Wow, you really seem to know your stuff. My theory was that base form UUB was stronger than a buu arc Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Why? It has been 20 years since that arc, sand Goku achieved ssj3 with only 7 years of training. A 10 year old UUB would have to be as powerful if not more powerful than kid buu, even only if marginally. Now this is an untrained version of the reborn majin, yet still powerful. The rule of the Dragon Ball series is each new warrior, enemy and fight must be stronger than the last. Goku got 20 years of non stop training, just think of how powerful he would become in comparison to he 7 year trajectory from the Cell saga to the Buu arc. It is my firm belief that in GT a 57 year old base from adult Goku would be at least over 2 times as powerful as a buu arc super saiyan 3 Goku. Not quite 3 times as powerful, but over two. And that is just a fully powered Goku in his base form. And he only gets more powerful from here on out, now that is power, a ridiculous amount. And to think uub is able to not only keep up, but out perform Goku, even marginally so. Now here is where you and I differ greatly. I do feel Gohan is weak in comparison to UUB Vegeta and his father Goku. However, logic dictates that Gohan must be as strong as, or stronger than an 18 year old mystic Gohan. Why? If you apply certain standards in growth patterns from real life to the anime. A human male at 11 years old may become exceptionally strong for his age, however due to constant growth and physical maturity he will naturally become stronger the older he gets. For the simple fact a 38 year old man has natural untrained strength far surpassing that of achieved strength of that 11 year old. So too for Goten and Trunks who are both in fact grown men in GT. That natural strength of a child or preteen vs that of grown adult male. There is no case where Pan is stronger than her dad Gohan, not even in the slightest, and she has been training her entire life. Let’s pretend she is as strong as Super Saiyan 2 teen Gohan (Now personally I feel Pan was just never on this level, I’d say she was at least as strong as cell or Super Perfect Cell) Remember at the end of DBZ a 4 year old Pan defeated a 17 year old Goten. She was on his level if not marginally stronger, now had he gone ssj in that match, Pan definitely would’ve lost. I feel like that was a precursor to they’re characters in GT. Goten and Trunks are basically the same in power speed and etc.. I feel both 27 year old Goten and 28 year old Trunks could go toe to toe with cell in they’re base form. I hold Pan to the same regard, she is more or less Goten and Trunks’ equal, well at least in they’re base forms. Add they’re ability to go Super Saiyan, and that eliminates Pan entirely. It was heavily implied at the end of the DBZ series that Goten couldn’t beat fat buu, ie weaker. Thru that natural progression including his Super Saiyan transformation he is stronger than fat buu. I place Goten and Trunks on Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Vegeta’s level in the buu arc. Think back to ssj2 Vegetas fight vs fat buu, it wasn’t buu’s strength that beat Vegeta, but his naturally elevated mystical abilities. I feel that Vegeta was stronger than buu but only marginally so. And in the end iit wasn’t enough.

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